Den solidariska flottiljen – transkript

1 00:00:13,170 --> 00:00:17,570 sail towards Gaza to endanger your safety and places you within an active war zone.

2 00:00:18,370 --> 00:00:22,930 If you continue on your route and attempt to breach the naval blockade, we will stop your

3 00:00:22,930 --> 00:00:27,490 vessel and act to confiscate it through legal proceedings in court. We are here with the

4 00:00:27,490 --> 00:00:34,450 conscience of the world moving peacefully in a non-violent humanitarian mission to take this aid.

5 00:00:34,450 --> 00:00:41,250 You are not allowed by international law to stop us, therefore we do not comply with your request

6 00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:46,610 because your request is still an attempt to perpetuate the genocide of the Palestinian people.

7 00:01:28,820 --> 00:01:36,900 Yes, it has been overwhelming. It feels like I have lived several lives during these weeks and

8 00:01:36,900 --> 00:01:44,500 months where, what can be said, it is perhaps most focused on the five days where we did not have

9 00:01:44,500 --> 00:01:52,180 mobiles and were kidnapped. But before that, there have also been a lot of things that have happened.

10 00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:57,700 So sometimes we laughed and talked about how one day could be like a year.

11 00:01:58,820 --> 00:02:02,900 But now we are home again.

12 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:08,340 So you have thrown it right in and started working. No break, you just keep going.

13 00:02:08,340 --> 00:02:12,340 No, you also have to pay rent and stuff.

14 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:20,340 And yes, I have been in service and it took a little longer than it was supposed to.

15 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:27,940 I would only be away for a month, but then there were delays due to a few drone attacks in Tunisia

16 00:02:27,940 --> 00:02:28,740 that made it a bit more difficult for me to go back to work.

17 00:02:28,740 --> 00:02:28,820 Yes, there were delays due to a few drone attacks in Tunisia that made it a bit more difficult for me to go back to work.

18 00:02:28,820 --> 00:02:29,220 Yes, there were delays due to a few drone attacks in Tunisia that made it a bit more difficult for me to go back to work.

19 00:02:29,220 --> 00:02:35,380 Also, we that waited in Tunisia, or that waited in Sicily, we had to waits for two weeks to then sail the ships.

20 00:02:35,380 --> 00:02:38,900 The purpose was to sail together as one big fleet.

21 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:41,860 Oh! agreeable.

22 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:47,540 Well, you and I are whole drones, we used toos each other.

23 00:02:48,020 --> 00:02:56,180 I have surely not been involved in even one Palestinian demonstration without seeing you there during the demonstration.

24 00:02:56,340 --> 00:02:58,500 No matter if you were both in Stockholm or Malmö .

25 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:01,760 And then you stand there, and when I turn around, I see you.

26 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,180 On the one hand, I was not surprised that you showed up at the flotilla.

27 00:03:06,180 --> 00:03:12,500 On the other hand, I was surprised that Marita was here.

28 00:03:13,660 --> 00:03:16,540 Who are you, and how did you get into all of this?

29 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,160 I'm an ordinary person, I would say.

30 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:26,300 And that's probably what's been special about this flotilla.

31 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:33,700 It was the idea that it would be, now I'm making a situation sign, ordinary people.

32 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:43,400 Together with people who are politicians, have big platforms, very famous activists, comedians, and so on.

33 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:49,400 The very introduction was to show a broad global movement.

34 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:56,280 Which then had as a goal to break the blockade and create a humanitarian corridor.

35 00:03:56,300 --> 00:04:03,180 To be able to symbolically, what should I say, give aid or support to Gaza.

36 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:08,460 But above all, it's about continuing the fight to break the illegal blockade.

37 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:15,220 And yes, I'm a person who has worked in civil society for a long time as a service person.

38 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,880 I love organization development and business development.

39 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,900 But privately, I've been an activist since I was very, very young.

40 00:04:26,300 --> 00:04:33,900 I started out as a 13-year-old, and then, well, you and I are kind of the same age, Mattias.

41 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:42,500 So it was the 90's when we were young, when we tried to put feminism on the agenda.

42 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:46,500 And then it was a lot about anti-fascism.

43 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:48,500 You're from Västerås.

44 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:50,500 I'm from Västerås, yes.

45 00:04:50,500 --> 00:04:54,500 And it was a very activist capital.

46 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:55,400 Yes.

47 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:56,100 Yes, it was.

48 00:04:56,100 --> 00:05:00,900 Yes, it was, but those who remember me from Västerås may remember that I was quite square.

49 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:12,800 I have to say that I was very square and correct, and things should be done in the way that it's written in Stadgar and others.

50 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,900 But I also think that you develop.

51 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:19,400 Others talk about that you may become more and more conservative with age.

52 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,700 And I would say that I have gone in the opposite direction.

53 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:25,900 But my big thing is that when I'm 19 years old,

54 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:29,700 I moved and studied in Chile.

55 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:32,700 I was supposed to be away for one year, so it became six years.

56 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:38,700 And you and I meet when I come back from Chile, and there I have been very active

57 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:45,100 within the human rights movement, the fight against crime,

58 00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:48,700 which has existed in Chile for so long after the dictatorship.

59 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:53,700 And I am also the child of a person who was murdered in Chile in 1976.

60 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:55,700 So it was also very personal.

61 00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:59,500 And there we worked a lot with civil disobedience.

62 00:05:59,500 --> 00:06:03,300 And then I also had the privilege when I lived, when we lived in the collective,

63 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:07,100 so I go to Chapos and am a peace observer.

64 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:13,700 And there in the meeting with the Zapatistas, I change.

65 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:20,900 From being this square person to starting to see democracy in a different way.

66 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:25,700 And that's where I also learn and get to be part of organizations,

67 00:06:25,700 --> 00:06:30,700 the development of organizations on a collective level.

68 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:33,700 And for me it has not become the same after that.

69 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:38,700 Then when I came home, I think I have matured in how I see movements and things.

70 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:46,700 And I also stop being so very intellectual about analyzing things and things.

71 00:06:46,700 --> 00:06:49,700 I want to do. I want to be practical.

72 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:54,700 There is almost a red thread between the Zapatistas and the Chiptogaza,

73 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:59,700 the Sumud Flotilla, the fact that they did a lot of caravans.

74 00:06:59,700 --> 00:07:04,700 Caravans, both that they organize meetings out in the La Conda jungle,

75 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:09,700 where you could come there and participate and meet global movements.

76 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:12,700 But also that they did this caravan into Mexico City,

77 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:15,700 where they gather the entire civil society.

78 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:18,700 They are subcommandante Marcos.

79 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:21,700 All my Italian friends were there in white overalls.

80 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:23,700 It went like a kind of...

81 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:28,700 It's like those nice movements are still alive within you.

82 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:33,700 And I think that something happens when you meet from different countries,

83 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:36,700 different types of organizational cultures,

84 00:07:36,700 --> 00:07:39,700 meet in something common.

85 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:42,700 It's not frictional, we all know that.

86 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:44,700 Everyone who works with things like that.

87 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:47,700 But nice things also happen.

88 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:52,700 And that's what I think I saw when I started organizing this with Global Sumud Flotilla.

89 00:07:52,700 --> 00:07:57,700 And I saw, here maybe I can contribute.

90 00:07:57,700 --> 00:07:59,700 And I applied.

91 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:01,700 And had the big, big...

92 00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:08,700 For me it's a privilege that I was chosen to represent Sweden in the Swedish delegation.

93 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:10,700 It's...

94 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:13,700 You might think you're crazy about what we've been through,

95 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:15,700 but I would do it again.

96 00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:19,700 Because it's historically what we've done.

97 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:21,700 And we have also...

98 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:23,700 I've also learned so much.

99 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:27,700 It's been a journey in a journey, you could say.

100 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:29,700 To be able to make practical solidarity.

101 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:31,700 That's what I like.

102 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:35,700 I think this International Solidarity Moment that was formed,

103 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:40,700 they took this idea, the Caravan idea, further in a way.

104 00:08:40,700 --> 00:08:42,700 They talked about globalization...

105 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:44,700 Or globalization from...

106 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:47,700 Solidarity from diplomacy, from...

107 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:49,700 Going...

108 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:50,700 As...

109 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:54,700 Now the term human rights will have a whole new meaning.

110 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:55,700 Yes.

111 00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:57,700 With how the right uses it.

112 00:08:57,700 --> 00:08:59,700 But that was still...

113 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:03,700 An international movement gets the right picture of that,

114 00:09:03,700 --> 00:09:09,700 you should only support national movements or movements in the other country,

115 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:11,700 from where you are.

116 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:15,700 But this went out to travel across the border, be on site,

117 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:17,700 and place your own body there.

118 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:18,700 And also,

119 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:21,700 be eyewitnesses, observers,

120 00:09:21,700 --> 00:09:23,700 learn to come home,

121 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:25,700 and tell about what you saw.

122 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:27,700 So it was like...

123 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:30,700 The idea of ISM, like Cipto-Gaza somewhere,

124 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:31,700 went on to...

125 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:33,700 ISM was a lot on the West Bank,

126 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:36,700 and Cipto-Gaza then took it to...

127 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:37,700 Gaza.

128 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:39,700 And I see a red thread here.

129 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:40,700 Because it's...

130 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:42,700 I don't usually use the term human rights.

131 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:43,700 I'm talking about empowerment.

132 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:45,700 And that you...

133 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:46,700 Because it's also about...

134 00:09:46,700 --> 00:09:47,700 Use your passport, your privilege,

135 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:49,700 your passport, your privilege.

136 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:51,700 We live in structures,

137 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:53,700 where there are passports,

138 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:56,700 or people who are counted more than others,

139 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:58,700 not because you think it's good.

140 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:03,700 But you can use that structure to create space for action,

141 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:05,700 and increase the space for action,

142 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:07,700 and ensure that there are eyes.

143 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:10,700 That's why I usually talk more about empowerment,

144 00:10:10,700 --> 00:10:11,700 when it comes to that,

145 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:15,700 just because human debts are so loaded.

146 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:16,700 And also that I...

147 00:10:16,700 --> 00:10:17,700 It has become more now.

148 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:18,700 It has become more now,

149 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:20,700 because it has been kidnapped in some way.

150 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:23,700 But I also think that I like to talk about it,

151 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:24,700 because when you follow,

152 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:26,700 you go with it.

153 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:29,700 And that's what I think is nice.

154 00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:31,700 We do something together.

155 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:33,700 We want to have our eyes on it.

156 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:36,700 And I experience that it's...

157 00:10:36,700 --> 00:10:38,700 Then it's double...

158 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:40,700 Everything where you use structures and privileges

159 00:10:40,700 --> 00:10:42,700 always has a backside.

160 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:44,700 But I believe that sometimes

161 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:46,700 you just have to be a little pragmatic,

162 00:10:46,700 --> 00:10:48,700 and see what you can gain from it.

163 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:51,700 And that's what I've seen that has been developed

164 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:53,700 in this Global Somod Flotilla,

165 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:58,700 where Swedish chiptogasa was a huge part of it.

166 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:01,700 And I'm so grateful for all the support

167 00:11:01,700 --> 00:11:05,700 that the Swedish delegation from Global Movement Sweden

168 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:08,700 got from Chiptogasa Sweden.

169 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:11,700 It's been a really nice collaboration.

170 00:11:11,700 --> 00:11:13,700 And we have...

171 00:11:13,700 --> 00:11:14,700 You have felt...

172 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:15,700 Now when you come home,

173 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:19,700 and see how people have shared our videos,

174 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:21,700 and SOS videos,

175 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:22,700 it's...

176 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:24,700 You get a warm heart.

177 00:11:24,700 --> 00:11:28,700 But you went from going to all these demonstrations,

178 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:30,700 often Saturday's demonstrations,

179 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:31,700 and other things.

180 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:33,700 How did the step from that

181 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:37,700 to being accepted to the Flotilla come about?

182 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:39,700 Well, it started first with

183 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:41,700 this march to Cairo.

184 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:44,700 That's where this grew somewhere.

185 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:48,700 I got some breast cancer this morning.

186 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:51,700 So I couldn't go to...

187 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:54,700 I couldn't follow the march to Gaza,

188 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:57,700 from Cairo to Rafa then,

189 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:59,700 because I had radiation.

190 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:01,700 So I was really upset about that.

191 00:12:01,700 --> 00:12:02,700 And I felt like,

192 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:03,700 I also want to do this.

193 00:12:03,700 --> 00:12:05,700 But then in the summer,

194 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:07,700 there was a...

195 00:12:07,700 --> 00:12:08,700 On Instagram,

196 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:11,700 they let out people who wanted to apply.

197 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:12,700 And then I was done with my radiation treatment.

198 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:13,700 And then I was done with my radiation treatment.

199 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:15,700 And then I was done with my radiation treatment.

200 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:17,700 And I felt like,

201 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:19,700 this is what I want to do.

202 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:22,700 I took it, of course, with my family.

203 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:25,700 And Thomas, if I remember correctly, said,

204 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:28,700 Yes, I can't forbid you,

205 00:12:28,700 --> 00:12:30,700 but yes,

206 00:12:30,700 --> 00:12:32,700 you are who you are.

207 00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:34,700 And my son is very...

208 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:36,700 He has a very dark sense of humour.

209 00:12:36,700 --> 00:12:38,700 He might have inherited mine.

210 00:12:38,700 --> 00:12:39,700 And he said, Mom,

211 00:12:39,700 --> 00:12:41,700 it was fun to get to know you.

212 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:43,700 So from radiation treatment to an actual application?

213 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:44,700 So from radiation treatment to an actual application?

214 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:46,700 So from radiation treatment to an actual application?

215 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:47,700 Yes.

216 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:48,700 Yes, application.

217 00:12:48,700 --> 00:12:49,700 Yes.

218 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:52,700 But I didn't know that I would be allowed in or something like that.

219 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:53,700 No.

220 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:54,700 Then I became,

221 00:12:54,700 --> 00:12:55,700 then I became,

222 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:57,700 from lots of all sort of...

223 00:12:57,700 --> 00:12:59,700 You had to answer questions.

224 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:01,700 It was an application process.

225 00:13:01,700 --> 00:13:05,700 And then it became clear that I was one of the nominees.

226 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:07,700 And I was super happy.

227 00:13:07,700 --> 00:13:08,700 At the same time,

228 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:10,700 we couldn't talk openly about it.

229 00:13:10,700 --> 00:13:26,580 But it went pretty fast, and for me it has always been about practical solidarity, I want to do something practical, and sure, I've been on so many Saturday demos, I can, but I felt that it wasn't enough, I have to do something more.

230 00:13:27,860 --> 00:13:31,720 So you were accepted, and how many Swedes were there now?

231 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:50,800 Well, we were a few, and then a lot of things happened, and people jumped off, and it didn't go as planned, but we were around 11-12 people that went, because a few went from Barcelona, and a few of us went from Sicily.

232 00:13:51,420 --> 00:13:53,120 And you went from Sicily?

233 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:53,680 Yes.

234 00:13:54,400 --> 00:14:01,440 How involved were you in the whole work, with starting the boats?

235 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:26,280 All of that was done by volunteers and volunteers on site, and other teams, I was just part of the delegation, and we helped to load the boats, so I know that we have loaded aid, that people claim that we don't have, but we have seen it and opened it, and things like that.

236 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,280 But it was like, all of this is built on volunteers and volunteers working.

237 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:51,560 We've worked with boats and everything on site, in August, where the harbor where we left off was, and that was people who maybe work in rescue on the Mediterranean, who felt the cold, and have worked for free, and fixed the boats that were bought.

238 00:14:51,560 --> 00:15:01,560 All of this builds on people's work for them to believe in something, and that's what's so beautiful, I wasn't involved, I know nothing about boats.

239 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:08,960 I've never sailed, I'm a working class kid, so this is the first time I've been on a sailing boat in my entire life.

240 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:31,520 Yes, I was thinking about that, because I know Luca Casarini, who was a spokesman for the globalisation movement from Italy, for Vita of Rålen and all that, and he moved to Sicily and worked a lot with these rescue boats on the Mediterranean, and they got support from the old people who gave them,

241 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:43,280 gave them notes and wrote forewords to their book about the salvage of the sea, so I, yes, but it was interesting to hear that this went into, also.

242 00:15:43,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Yes, it went in, and I had, I met many Italian crews who work on rescue, but also have worked with Greenpeace and their boats, so that's what's so nice, it's all of these old movements,

243 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:18,680 or so, are met in this common goal of breaking the blockade, and that's what I think is beautiful, when we see that for many, I think, the genocide in Gaza has become the lacquer paper for all the fights,

244 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:31,620 and that doesn't mean that you give up a fight, I haven't given up anything, but I feel that right now I'm focusing here, but it's also about that I don't want to believe that,

245 00:16:31,620 --> 00:16:31,680 I don't want to believe that,

246 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:31,700 I don't want to believe that,

247 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:48,000 I can't look at, when we see a live stream of genocide, and like, turn away the look, it doesn't work, who are you then, if you do that, so, yes, that's what I think has been nice with this whole movement,

248 00:16:48,000 --> 00:17:01,660 also because after Genoa, after Gothenburg, after so much, it feels like it was a loss, and I've had the opportunity now, within these weeks,

249 00:17:01,660 --> 00:17:14,660 to just, together with other people, to remember how it is, when you are a lot of people from different types of movements, and live together, and have a common goal, it's beautiful.

250 00:17:14,660 --> 00:17:20,760 Yes, and you came to Sicily, but there you held on for several weeks.

251 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:31,620 Were it two weeks? Yes, it feels like several lives, but it was training that was to be done in non-violent and media, and things like that.

252 00:17:31,620 --> 00:17:34,020 you have to do. Some of us

253 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:35,880 maybe have more than others. I have

254 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,620 also worked with compassion.

255 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:39,840 So I can

256 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,920 sort of lay the foundations around

257 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,900 non-violence and such. But it was a lot of

258 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:45,560 training and waiting

259 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,740 and fixing boats and helping

260 00:17:47,740 --> 00:17:49,640 there during these weeks

261 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,820 because it was

262 00:17:51,820 --> 00:17:53,740 like in and with the drone

263 00:17:53,740 --> 00:17:55,680 attack in Tunisia and so on, there were

264 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,780 delays and we were going to sail like a

265 00:17:57,780 --> 00:17:59,180 folotea together.

266 00:17:59,180 --> 00:18:01,360 And I now

267 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:03,660 said afterwards, it was really hard to walk around and wait

268 00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:05,540 and of course you could get irritated

269 00:18:05,540 --> 00:18:07,120 and it's hard. But

270 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,420 now when you're sitting here and

271 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:11,440 thinking about how nice it was when we

272 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,940 meet all the boats

273 00:18:12,940 --> 00:18:15,360 and go together, it's kind of like

274 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:16,060 it's blown away.

275 00:18:18,460 --> 00:18:19,400 Except that I became

276 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,220 really seasick.

277 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,240 Yes, that's it.

278 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:25,400 But Netanyahu ordered

279 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,600 himself drone attacks

280 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,160 on the boats that

281 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,000 were in, what was it, Morocco

282 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,400 or what was it? They were in Tunisia.

283 00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:35,120 But that's the first

284 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,040 drone attack. And then it came

285 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,960 in Malta. And then came

286 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,140 a drone attack on international

287 00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:43,020 water when we are on the way

288 00:18:43,020 --> 00:18:44,980 together all together towards Greece.

289 00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:47,320 And then

290 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,160 they gave themselves to the small

291 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,280 boats. I was in a small boat.

292 00:18:51,780 --> 00:18:53,240 Selvadia, it was a real women's

293 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,900 boat. We were only women. We were six

294 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:56,560 so it was a very small boat.

295 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,140 And that drone attack gave

296 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,920 itself to the small boats.

297 00:19:01,620 --> 00:19:03,260 And I still see

298 00:19:03,260 --> 00:19:04,820 the drone in front of me.

299 00:19:04,820 --> 00:19:06,680 It was, it had like a

300 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,800 big dragon tail.

301 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,600 And it explodes

302 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,140 in the front.

303 00:19:12,820 --> 00:19:15,040 But luckily it didn't hit the mast.

304 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,440 We were so lucky.

305 00:19:16,980 --> 00:19:18,440 And it's really, I mean.

306 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,500 So it was your boat?

307 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,600 It was eleven boats that were attacked

308 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,500 and all of them were small boats and one of them

309 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:25,260 was my boat.

310 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,800 And we were lucky. How did it go for the other

311 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:29,160 boats?

312 00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:31,740 There was one boat that was hit so that

313 00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:33,920 it couldn't be used because it was

314 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,240 it came on the mast and

315 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,320 other boats got like small problems

316 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,100 of it. But it's really dangerous.

317 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:42,120 So, but it was

318 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:43,780 the meaning that we would be scared.

319 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,120 Yes. I listened to

320 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,000 an American pod

321 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,660 in the Chapo Trap House

322 00:19:49,660 --> 00:19:51,580 who called and interviewed

323 00:19:51,580 --> 00:19:53,160 a woman who

324 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,000 she went from Barcelona

325 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,080 and I think she was

326 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:58,300 more

327 00:19:58,300 --> 00:20:00,120 on this largest

328 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:01,040 ship.

329 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:03,480 And she described it as

330 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,140 that she could see uptrend

331 00:20:05,140 --> 00:20:07,360 in the rhetoric also around the boats.

332 00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:09,440 That this was

333 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:10,560 like just

334 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,320 adventure-seeking.

335 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:14,020 This was irresponsible

336 00:20:14,020 --> 00:20:16,460 to make it the Hamas boats

337 00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:17,240 and all that.

338 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,480 She described it as that

339 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,220 this is a preparation for

340 00:20:22,220 --> 00:20:23,900 to be able to attack

341 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:25,960 or in general to kill people

342 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,600 by having such a rhetoric.

343 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,300 That it is

344 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:29,540 terrorists behind.

345 00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:31,080 Yes. And that was

346 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,100 like that. In the last weeks

347 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:34,900 we went from selfie-boats

348 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:36,960 that we were adventure-seeking

349 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,760 middle-class people

350 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,560 who were irresponsible

351 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,940 to that we then were

352 00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:44,780 Hamas useful idiots

353 00:20:44,780 --> 00:20:46,760 to that we read somewhere

354 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,980 that they said that we had weapons in the boats.

355 00:20:49,180 --> 00:20:50,780 It's so absurd.

356 00:20:51,260 --> 00:20:52,380 Tunnels under the boats.

357 00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:53,380 Yes, like that.

358 00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:54,620 So absurd.

359 00:20:55,580 --> 00:20:58,280 But of course, it also applies to as soon as you say,

360 00:20:58,300 --> 00:20:59,300 Hamas.

361 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:00,300 Then it becomes about,

362 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:01,300 then it doesn't matter,

363 00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:03,300 then you can just shoot.

364 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:05,300 But at the same time in it,

365 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:07,300 I didn't read so much

366 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:10,800 about what Israel wrote on Twitter.

367 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,300 I wasn't interested in it,

368 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:13,800 but what I thought was nice

369 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,800 was to see this solidarity

370 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,300 that existed

371 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:21,800 when the harbor boats in Italy say that

372 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,300 if we don't have contact with the flotilla in 20 minutes,

373 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:27,600 then we will just stop Europe.

374 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,100 Yes.

375 00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:31,800 And I remember when we heard that news,

376 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,800 because then I actually felt like this,

377 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,800 think if we come forward.

378 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,300 Because it's sick when you,

379 00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:40,800 all the time we train and prepare ourselves

380 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,300 on boarding and for,

381 00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:43,300 because you need,

382 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:45,300 when you work with non-violence,

383 00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:49,300 you need to train on the calm

384 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:53,300 when you come to meet

385 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:55,300 so much violence

386 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:57,300 and so much hatred.

387 00:21:57,300 --> 00:21:59,300 But at the same time,

388 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,800 you sat there and also hoped for,

389 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,300 think if we reach Gaza.

390 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:05,300 Because it's actually,

391 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:06,800 I wanted to go to Gaza,

392 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,300 I didn't want to,

393 00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:10,300 my idea was not to go,

394 00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:11,800 to be kidnapped

395 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,300 and come to this prison.

396 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:13,800 No.

397 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,800 Even though I knew that the risk existed.

398 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,300 But it was like this,

399 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:19,800 think if we see Gaza,

400 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,300 think if we reach Gaza.

401 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:24,300 Think if we break the blockade.

402 00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:25,800 That hope existed too.

403 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:26,300 Yes.

404 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:30,800 And when Italy carried out this general strike,

405 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,300 or generalized strike,

406 00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:34,300 as they sometimes say,

407 00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:36,800 because it was spread out from the factory,

408 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,800 out on the streets and the streets,

409 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,800 and train stations and ports were blocked,

410 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,300 it was blockiamo tutto,

411 00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:45,300 we block everything.

412 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:48,800 So it got an unexpected consequence

413 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,300 that you got military boats

414 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:54,300 that took off.

415 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,300 Yes, but it was maybe more of a,

416 00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:57,300 as I see it,

417 00:22:57,300 --> 00:23:00,300 because Meloni was like,

418 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:01,300 we're sending this,

419 00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:03,300 but this was after the drone attack too.

420 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:04,300 Yes.

421 00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:07,300 But it was also like this,

422 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,300 that after a few days they said,

423 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:11,800 they want to hand over the emergency aid to us,

424 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,800 and everyone who is afraid can go on the boat.

425 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,300 We said, but we're going to Gaza.

426 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:20,800 We're going to hand over this,

427 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,800 this is about breaking the blockade,

428 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,800 you are very welcome to follow us.

429 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,300 Yes.

430 00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:29,300 But I didn't think so much about those military ships,

431 00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:31,300 or I didn't think that we were safer with them.

432 00:23:31,300 --> 00:23:34,300 What I felt was so very nice,

433 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:36,300 I don't know if that news was so big,

434 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:38,300 it was this big rescue,

435 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:42,300 one of these boats that you use on the Mediterranean

436 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:45,300 to help refugees and such,

437 00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:48,300 it accompanied us on the way,

438 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:52,300 from if there was going to be an attack or something like that.

439 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:54,300 I thought that was like this,

440 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:56,300 it felt really practical,

441 00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:58,300 that we have this,

442 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:01,300 and then also the Chirin boat,

443 00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:05,300 a boat where there were lawyers and others

444 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:08,300 who accompanied from out,

445 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:13,300 to secure and be able to document crimes.

446 00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:16,300 I felt more support in that

447 00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:19,300 than these big military boats,

448 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,300 which I still thought,

449 00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:23,300 there is probably a background with them,

450 00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:28,300 but maybe it's also because I have this anti-militarism in my blood,

451 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,300 I don't trust it.

452 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:32,300 No.

453 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:36,300 But the drone attacks took place after...

454 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:37,300 It didn't explode,

455 00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:39,300 we had drones all the time.

456 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:41,300 They were always there.

457 00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:42,300 They were always there,

458 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:44,300 but they were not on such a low level.

459 00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:45,300 And then it also becomes like this,

460 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:47,300 when you have been with a drone attack,

461 00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:49,300 then you think,

462 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:51,300 is it not in front of you?

463 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:52,300 Yes.

464 00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:55,300 But I remember that after the drone attack,

465 00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:56,300 the day after,

466 00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:58,300 then I was really angry.

467 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:00,300 Then I also felt...

468 00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:01,300 I thought...

469 00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:03,300 Because it was so hard with the drones,

470 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:05,300 and I thought all the time,

471 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:08,300 think that this is everyday food for people,

472 00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:10,300 in Gaza and on the West Bank,

473 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,300 to have this constantly.

474 00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:14,300 And then I also felt this

475 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:18,300 incredible anger of penalty,

476 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:21,300 that Israel can send drones

477 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:23,300 to international waters.

478 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:25,300 We are outside of Greece,

479 00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:27,300 because we are in Europe.

480 00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:30,300 And you do it without consequences,

481 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:32,300 and it does the penalty.

482 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:33,300 It still makes me,

483 00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:34,300 when I think about it,

484 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:35,300 I get so damn pissed off.

485 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:37,300 And I also think it has to do

486 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:39,300 with my own story.

487 00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:41,300 It took like more than 40 years for us

488 00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:45,300 to know who had murdered my dad.

489 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:47,300 And we only got the material,

490 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:48,300 what do you say,

491 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:49,300 those who handled.

492 00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:51,300 Not the operation itself,

493 00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:53,300 but behind his murder.

494 00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:54,300 And it took 40 years.

495 00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:56,300 And these people lived for 40 years,

496 00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:59,300 without getting a single consequence.

497 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:02,300 And that also makes my blood boil

498 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:04,300 when it comes to penalty.

499 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:05,300 Yes.

500 00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,300 No, I...

501 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:10,300 So I think it's all of that

502 00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:12,300 that I sometimes carry with me,

503 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:15,300 and that also makes me

504 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:18,300 unable to sit still in the boat

505 00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:20,300 and grow old

506 00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:23,300 by my kitchen table.

507 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:25,300 You jump on the boat instead.

508 00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:27,300 Yes.

509 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,300 But how long were you out to sea then?

510 00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:31,300 And was it like,

511 00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:33,300 was there contact between the boats?

512 00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:35,300 You were in a state of mind, maybe.

513 00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,300 Yes, you could see,

514 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:39,300 yes, you could see, like this,

515 00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:41,300 and wave to each other.

516 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:42,300 And then we had signals

517 00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:43,300 and could talk on the phone.

518 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:46,300 But we, we leave from Sicily,

519 00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:49,300 so we go around September 12th.

520 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:50,300 Yes.

521 00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:52,300 Were there more Swedes on your boat then?

522 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:54,300 We were two on the first boat, Selvadia.

523 00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:56,300 And then when we came to Greece,

524 00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:57,300 I changed boats,

525 00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:58,300 and so did my colleague.

526 00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:00,300 There were some problems on that boat,

527 00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:02,300 so we switched to a bigger boat,

528 00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:04,300 and then I ended up on Aurora.

529 00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:06,300 And that's the one I was staying with.

530 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:08,300 And it was a fantastic boat.

531 00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:09,300 I can...

532 00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:11,300 Our dinners there

533 00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:14,300 were much more Italian than on that boat.

534 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,300 They made such fantastic food.

535 00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:18,300 And our captain, a Spaniard,

536 00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:21,300 who loved to drive

537 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:23,300 with Aquila Pajon, Mercedes Sosja

538 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:25,300 and Silvardo Rodriguez.

539 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:27,300 So he put on music

540 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,300 when he drove the boat.

541 00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,300 So for me it was listening to my childhood music

542 00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:33,300 together with him.

543 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:34,300 It was so...

544 00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:35,300 There are such nice things

545 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:36,300 that you also

546 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:38,300 maybe forget in the middle

547 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:40,300 of all the chaos that happened later.

548 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:42,300 I think there were many

549 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:43,300 all over the world

550 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,300 who sat with the FIDE on,

551 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,300 especially on the nights.

552 00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:48,300 It was...

553 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,300 They followed you

554 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:52,300 and just listened to the music,

555 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:54,300 or saw you walk around.

556 00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:55,300 It was...

557 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:57,300 It was something special.

558 00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:59,300 Everyone held their breath

559 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:02,300 and waited for you to be on your way.

560 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:04,300 The last two days,

561 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,300 I think, are the most special,

562 00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:08,300 and I will never forget them.

563 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:09,300 Because we knew...

564 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,300 Tuesday was a general rehearsal.

565 00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:13,300 We were in L.E.

566 00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,300 We thought we could be boarded.

567 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:16,300 And it was Thursday.

568 00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:17,300 And it was Thursday

569 00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:19,300 that we could get to Gaza.

570 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:23,300 And then we survived Tuesday.

571 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:24,300 Nothing happened.

572 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,300 More than small...

573 00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:28,300 Yes, like a general rehearsal,

574 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:29,300 like they wanted to see

575 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:30,300 how we would react.

576 00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:32,300 And then on Wednesday,

577 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:35,300 when you wake up in the morning

578 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,300 and know that when the evening,

579 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:39,300 when the darkness,

580 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:40,300 when the sun goes down,

581 00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:41,300 then there is a chance

582 00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:42,300 that we will be boarded

583 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:44,300 or that we will get there.

584 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:45,300 And it creates something special.

585 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:46,300 It creates something special

586 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:47,300 in the atmosphere,

587 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:49,300 in our boat.

588 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:52,300 I gave two interviews before.

589 00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:53,300 In the morning,

590 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:54,300 I gave two interviews

591 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:56,300 to Chilean state television

592 00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:57,300 and another one,

593 00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:59,300 like TV4,

594 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:02,300 in the Chilean context.

595 00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:04,300 So it was very special.

596 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,300 And also when the sun goes down

597 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,300 and we have made a very good dinner.

598 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:10,300 And then it's like

599 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:12,300 we look at each other

600 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:14,300 and we know that we may be

601 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,300 among the first to be boarded

602 00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:18,300 from the fact that our boat

603 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:20,300 was quite far ahead.

604 00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:23,300 And we talk about that

605 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:24,300 it doesn't matter,

606 00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:25,300 because then it may take

607 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:26,300 quite a long time for them

608 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:27,300 to board us.

609 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:29,300 And then other boats

610 00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,300 can pass and reach.

611 00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:32,300 And if someone reaches Gaza,

612 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:34,300 then we all reach.

613 00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:35,300 And at the same time we also know

614 00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:37,300 that we have come quite far.

615 00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,300 So we decide there and then.

616 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:41,300 And I think everyone did that.

617 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:42,300 We won.

618 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:44,300 Regardless of what will happen,

619 00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:46,300 we had this feeling

620 00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:48,300 that we had managed

621 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:50,300 to take longer.

622 00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:51,300 And we hadn't waited

623 00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:53,300 for a single time.

624 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:56,300 And that feeling

625 00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,300 I felt there and then

626 00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:00,300 I have to carry with me

627 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,300 if we are now being boarded.

628 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:04,300 And they strike

629 00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:05,300 in their threat

630 00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:07,300 to treat us as terrorists.

631 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:09,300 But all this,

632 00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:11,300 that there were so many boats

633 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:12,300 instead of getting

634 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:14,300 a huge boat,

635 00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:15,300 or something like that.

636 00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:17,300 It was a spoken strategy

637 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,300 to come as a swarm

638 00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:21,300 that they would have a hard time.

639 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,300 They can't stop everyone.

640 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,300 But how did it go when

641 00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:28,300 they started to stop

642 00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:29,300 and board the boats?

643 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,300 They had like

644 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:33,300 that they had set up

645 00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:35,300 as a line.

646 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:37,300 But I never saw it.

647 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:38,300 I only saw these

648 00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:40,300 small military boats

649 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:42,300 that we could see

650 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:43,300 how others,

651 00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:44,300 how Alma then,

652 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,300 who was the largest boat.

653 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:47,300 And then I think it was Sirius

654 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,300 we saw how they became,

655 00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:51,300 it was like they had

656 00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:53,300 like water cannons in the boat

657 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:55,300 and sprayed on the boats.

658 00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:57,300 And we could see that from ours.

659 00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:59,300 And we thought all the time.

660 00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:00,300 Oh, now they come to us.

661 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,300 But they drove past us.

662 00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:04,300 So it was under a few hours

663 00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:05,300 there in the dark

664 00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:07,300 where we didn't really know

665 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:09,300 is it our turn or not our turn.

666 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,300 In the end, our boat

667 00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:13,300 got these water cannons

668 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:15,300 over itself.

669 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:17,300 Some are still up there.

670 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,300 I go down with a group down there

671 00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:21,300 so that not everyone will get wet.

672 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,300 And have eye contact

673 00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:24,300 with our organizer

674 00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:26,300 who will ask us to get up.

675 00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:28,300 And then it went really fast.

676 00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:29,300 Then we have already

677 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:30,300 left our mobile phones

678 00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,300 to be thrown into the sea.

679 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,300 And I just remember

680 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:36,300 that I stand by the stairs

681 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,300 for eye contact

682 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:40,300 with our organizer.

683 00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:41,300 She says,

684 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:42,300 come up.

685 00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:43,300 And when we get up,

686 00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:45,300 I feel like

687 00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:46,300 the gun.

688 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:47,300 Then they have boarded.

689 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:48,300 And they are like,

690 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:49,300 screaming.

691 00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:50,300 Do you feel the gun?

692 00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:51,300 Yes!

693 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:52,300 In the neck.

694 00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:53,300 And

695 00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:54,300 we

696 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:55,300 and I

697 00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:56,300 like this,

698 00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:57,300 up with our hands.

699 00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:58,300 And then I say,

700 00:31:58,300 --> 00:31:59,300 calm down.

701 00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:00,300 That we are four more people

702 00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:01,300 who are coming up.

703 00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:02,300 It's just.

704 00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:03,300 And they scream

705 00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:04,300 if we have hidden someone down there.

706 00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:05,300 I say,

707 00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:06,300 no, it's just us.

708 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:07,300 We come up.

709 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:08,300 We sit down

710 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:09,300 and we show our hands.

711 00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:10,300 And there sits

712 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:11,300 the organizer

713 00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:12,300 and those who were

714 00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:13,300 left up there

715 00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:14,300 with their hands.

716 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:15,300 And then you realize,

717 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:16,300 now,

718 00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:17,300 now,

719 00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:18,300 now,

720 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:19,300 now it's not training anymore.

721 00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:20,300 Now,

722 00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:21,300 now it's serious.

723 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:22,300 And

724 00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:24,300 there was so much.

725 00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,300 They were so many.

726 00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:27,300 It was like.

727 00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:29,300 And it's also like this.

728 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:30,300 I feel that it's

729 00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:31,300 such an unreal feeling.

730 00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:32,300 It feels like

731 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:35,300 I'm going out of my body.

732 00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:36,300 Like I,

733 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:37,300 like Marita

734 00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:38,300 floats

735 00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:39,300 and sees

736 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:40,300 all this.

737 00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:41,300 But I sit there

738 00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:42,300 and breathe

739 00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:43,300 and keep calm.

740 00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:44,300 And then I try to remember

741 00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:45,300 just this feeling

742 00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:46,300 that it sucks

743 00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:47,300 that they scream at us

744 00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:48,300 and that this is

745 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:49,300 really scary.

746 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:50,300 Because of course

747 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:51,300 we saved.

748 00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:52,300 We won.

749 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:53,300 And I think

750 00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:54,300 that's where

751 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:55,300 I go into

752 00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:56,300 some kind

753 00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:57,300 of guilt

754 00:32:57,300 --> 00:32:58,300 state.

755 00:32:58,300 --> 00:32:59,300 That I think

756 00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:00,300 that now

757 00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:01,300 I think

758 00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:02,300 a lot

759 00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:03,300 about my dad

760 00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:04,300 and I think

761 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:05,300 a lot

762 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:06,300 about my dad

763 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:07,300 and I think

764 00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:08,300 a lot

765 00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:09,300 about my dad

766 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:10,300 and I think

767 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:11,300 now

768 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:12,300 now Rolando

769 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:13,300 now

770 00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:14,300 now you have to

771 00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:15,300 protect me

772 00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:16,300 in some way.

773 00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:17,300 I have to keep calm

774 00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:18,300 and

775 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:19,300 all the time

776 00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:20,300 try to

777 00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:21,300 think

778 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:22,300 nice thoughts

779 00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:23,300 in the middle

780 00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:24,300 of this

781 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:25,300 terrible

782 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:26,300 and have

783 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:27,300 like a guilt

784 00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:28,300 over me.

785 00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:29,300 Do they take you down

786 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:30,300 in the military

787 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:31,300 boat?

788 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:32,300 No,

789 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:33,300 it didn't happen

790 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:34,300 like that.

791 00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:35,300 We thought

792 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:36,300 we would be

793 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:37,300 that they would

794 00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:38,300 but no.

795 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:39,300 We

796 00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:40,300 will be

797 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:41,300 after a while

798 00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:42,300 they will

799 00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:43,300 torture

800 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:44,300 all the people.

801 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:45,300 I will be the last

802 00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:46,300 because I think

803 00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:47,300 that they will

804 00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:48,300 profile me

805 00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:49,300 and that's what I think

806 00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:50,300 is strange.

807 00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:51,300 They have a list

808 00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:52,300 with our names

809 00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:53,300 but they don't seem

810 00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:54,300 to have our

811 00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:55,300 nationalities

812 00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:56,300 and that's

813 00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:57,300 a red thread

814 00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:58,300 that I think

815 00:33:58,300 --> 00:33:59,300 I see

816 00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:00,300 later

817 00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:01,300 that you

818 00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:02,300 profile people

819 00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:03,300 that they

820 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:04,300 think

821 00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:05,300 can be

822 00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:06,300 Arabic speaking.

823 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:07,300 Yes,

824 00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:08,300 so that I see

825 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:09,300 that our

826 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:10,300 organizers

827 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:11,300 are scared

828 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:12,300 because

829 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:13,300 everyone else

830 00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:14,300 will be forced

831 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:15,300 down under

832 00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:16,300 the deck

833 00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:17,300 and I'm

834 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:18,300 left alone

835 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:19,300 with all

836 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:20,300 these

837 00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:21,300 military

838 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:22,300 who have

839 00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:23,300 the weapons

840 00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:24,300 directed

841 00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:25,300 at me

842 00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:26,300 and then they

843 00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:27,300 will torture

844 00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:28,300 me

845 00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:29,300 and then they

846 00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:30,300 ask me

847 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:31,300 to be

848 00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:32,300 calm

849 00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:33,300 and quiet

850 00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:34,300 and take

851 00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:35,300 my pass

852 00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:36,300 no fast

853 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:38,300 and then they

854 00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:39,300 read

855 00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:40,300 Sweden

856 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:41,300 Sweden

857 00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:42,300 and

858 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:43,300 the birth

859 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:44,300 country

860 00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:45,300 Santiago

861 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:46,300 Chile

862 00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:47,300 and it's

863 00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:48,300 kind of like

864 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:49,300 the atmosphere

865 00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:50,300 breaks

866 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:51,300 right away

867 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:52,300 like

868 00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:53,300 they're

869 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:54,300 lowering

870 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,300 I feel

871 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:56,300 like

872 00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:57,300 they're

873 00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:58,300 lowering

874 00:34:58,300 --> 00:34:59,300 the water

875 00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:00,300 a little

876 00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:01,300 and then

877 00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:02,300 the muttering

878 00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:03,300 doesn't

879 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,300 become

880 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,300 so

881 00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:06,300 much

882 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:07,300 more

883 00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:08,300 in my

884 00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:09,300 mind

885 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:10,300 and they

886 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:11,300 take

887 00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:12,300 me

888 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:13,300 from

889 00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:14,300 the pass

890 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:15,300 which I

891 00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:16,300 thought

892 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:17,300 was

893 00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:18,300 a little

894 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:19,300 bit

895 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:20,300 annoying

896 00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:21,300 because

897 00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:22,300 I

898 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:23,300 had

899 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:24,300 the pass

900 00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:25,300 we

901 00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:26,300 need

902 00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:27,300 but

903 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:28,300 they say

904 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:29,300 that they

905 00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:30,300 should

906 00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:31,300 keep

907 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:32,300 it

908 00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:33,300 and so

909 00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:39,260 What I experience, and I may be wrong, but I experience that we get an elite force on our boat.

910 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,900 That goes around during the night to other boats and helps to check.

911 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,440 Because it takes quite a long time for us to come.

912 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:52,020 I think we come to Port Arsdott in the middle of the day just because there is so much sun.

913 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,420 Because now we have no clocks, we have no mobiles, so we don't know.

914 00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:01,880 They were screaming, but they were very correct towards us.

915 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,860 I have to say, we were joking a little bit, because we are stuck down there, we can't go up.

916 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:14,860 But we say, I wonder if they have installed cameras and that we should be the PR boat to see how well we treat them.

917 00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:17,740 But they behave very correctly.

918 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,400 The only thing they say to us when our boat comes in to Port Arsdott, I have to tell you,

919 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,240 because it is also a memory that I will always carry with me.

920 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:31,840 Then we have opened so that we can look up and we have six Palestinian flags on our boat.

921 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,560 That waved in the wind.

922 00:36:34,460 --> 00:36:36,920 And they have never waved so beautifully.

923 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,300 So we stand there and think, oh, we're in.

924 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:47,720 We come in here, Port Arsdott, with waving Palestinian flags.

925 00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:54,260 And then one of the military people, who is the one who talks to our organizer, says,

926 00:36:54,520 --> 00:37:00,720 it's probably smart if you don't have any Kofias or other types.

927 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:12,700 I leave my two Kofias on the boat and my Palestinian flag so that the organizer sees what's going on and says,

928 00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:16,080 you must have a protection for your head.

929 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,160 They are placing everyone in the sun.

930 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:27,220 And then we are handed over to the staff in the port and there the correct treatment ends.

931 00:37:27,820 --> 00:37:31,160 Lisa Röstlund did a big interview with...

932 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:39,300 Greta Thunberg, Aftonbladet, just about the whole process that happened there.

933 00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:42,920 But does your image differ from it?

934 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,840 Or was it...

935 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,860 You were sitting in the sun and then...

936 00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:48,520 Knee bending.

937 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:49,700 Knee bending.

938 00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:52,480 Just like in a bad...

939 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,340 I could just think of ISIS films.

940 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,600 Oh shit, I can't even sit like that.

941 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,920 No, but I have a truss in my knee.

942 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:01,600 I'm almost...

943 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,780 And then it's like...

944 00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:06,140 And...

945 00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:10,180 I don't know why I...

946 00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:14,680 For everyone they take, when you're left alone from the military,

947 00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:17,460 when you get up from the boat, they're standing there waiting for you.

948 00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:20,400 Everyone is taken with their arms back.

949 00:38:21,340 --> 00:38:22,600 And dragged in.

950 00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:26,480 When it's my turn, I'm pretty short.

951 00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:29,740 And I want to be like this, I climb up myself.

952 00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:31,860 I'm not going to have any help with this.

953 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,960 I'm a fucking military man.

954 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,880 But I have to admit, I was stupid.

955 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,860 Otherwise I wouldn't have made it up.

956 00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:46,120 And when I'm left alone, he says something in Hebrew to the one who's going to take me.

957 00:38:47,460 --> 00:38:53,380 And I don't have to have my arms back, like I've seen others be dragged in.

958 00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:57,800 I just get really hard held in my arms and dragged in.

959 00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,980 So I don't know what he said.

960 00:38:59,980 --> 00:39:01,780 But I think, okay.

961 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,200 I had expected myself...

962 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,640 I had stoned myself for being dragged in the way I've seen others be dragged in.

963 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,620 But then when we get to this big...

964 00:39:13,620 --> 00:39:17,000 Garden, or whatever you want to call it, with a lot of gravel.

965 00:39:17,340 --> 00:39:18,860 Then it's just...

966 00:39:18,860 --> 00:39:21,360 Put yourself down on your knees, head against the ground.

967 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,520 And then they go around and push you on your back.

968 00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:27,740 Because he didn't think I had my head against the ground, because I had a cap on me.

969 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,320 And I hear how others get kicked.

970 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,200 I also hear how they go around and ask people if they speak Arabic.

971 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,520 And I don't know...

972 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:44,200 It feels like we're there for an hour with the cap against the ground, knees bent in the sun.

973 00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:47,260 And I'm thinking all the time, breathe.

974 00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:49,460 Think about that we won.

975 00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:50,320 Don't swim.

976 00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:52,780 Are there any who swim?

977 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,080 I can't see.

978 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,160 I can't look.

979 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,820 When you try to look, they come and scream at you.

980 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,480 One of them.

981 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,220 And I try to ask how we're feeling.

982 00:40:04,540 --> 00:40:05,740 And he gets kicked.

983 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,780 Because I hear that he gets kicked.

984 00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:09,400 I don't see.

985 00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:11,560 But when you hear...

986 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,160 And I think that's hard.

987 00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:16,120 The hardest thing is not to get a...

988 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,900 I got a foot on my back.

989 00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:20,180 And they pushed down my head.

990 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,860 I think it's harder to hear when others get beaten.

991 00:40:23,980 --> 00:40:25,300 And I can't do anything.

992 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,920 That's what I think has been the hardest with all this.

993 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,520 It's...

994 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,860 It's like not being able to help.

995 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,460 It's like not being able to help anyone else.

996 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,580 And then after that hour, what then...

997 00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:40,240 Then they laugh and say that now you have to sit on your butt.

998 00:40:40,860 --> 00:40:43,040 And then we can still sit in the sun.

999 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,460 We can't...

1000 00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:45,700 Yes, we can't drink water.

1001 00:40:46,220 --> 00:40:47,680 Some have water bottles with them.

1002 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,920 And then they go and pick up random people.

1003 00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:54,140 Because you have to have your pass in front of you.

1004 00:40:54,140 --> 00:40:55,120 And then they pick up the pass.

1005 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,760 And then it's time to go into the big hangar where we're going to be processed.

1006 00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:01,820 And...

1007 00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:01,860 And then it's time to go into the big hangar where we're going to be processed.

1008 00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:01,940 And then it's time to go into the big hangar where we're going to be processed.

1009 00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:05,360 And when it's my turn, they pull me up,

1010 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,320 pull me up,

1011 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,020 leave me to a female guard.

1012 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,440 And just when I'm about to go in,

1013 00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:12,940 someone shouts about Palestine.

1014 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,000 And I've completely forgotten that I have a little...

1015 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,460 I've got it from a friend

1016 00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:23,140 where a friend has a daughter

1017 00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:27,520 who makes pearl necklaces with Palestinian colors.

1018 00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:29,660 But it's nothing you think about.

1019 00:41:29,660 --> 00:41:31,800 And I think these must have such an eye.

1020 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,300 So they shout at me that I have to take off my neckband.

1021 00:41:36,540 --> 00:41:38,820 And I don't know why, but I don't want to take it off.

1022 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,980 So I say, well, then you have to take it off.

1023 00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:41,920 I'm not going to take it off.

1024 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,540 So then they tear it off from the pearls.

1025 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,540 It breaks down quite simply.

1026 00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:50,520 And then into the hangar where we're allowed to take off our shoes.

1027 00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:51,900 They scan our clothes.

1028 00:41:52,680 --> 00:42:00,680 I'm taken to a special place where I can put on my shirt, my BH.

1029 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:01,640 And that's when they see me.

1030 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,380 They see my dad's picture that I have hidden.

1031 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,180 And there's a huge discussion about

1032 00:42:08,180 --> 00:42:09,580 that they want to take off my picture.

1033 00:42:10,580 --> 00:42:11,680 And I refuse.

1034 00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:15,360 So instead they keep my t-shirt so that I only have a linen.

1035 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,180 And after that they go through all your packaging

1036 00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:25,900 after I've had to show my body.

1037 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,840 So they go through all my packaging.

1038 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,840 They find a coffin.

1039 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,900 They find an armband that I had forgotten that I had.

1040 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,460 They throw it in the paper basket.

1041 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:43,000 But otherwise they take my water bottle and skin care products and stuff I have in a necessaire.

1042 00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:44,540 They put them in for themselves.

1043 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,240 But I can't take that with me.

1044 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,360 And then there's little clothes that I can take with me.

1045 00:42:49,460 --> 00:42:50,240 Sometimes a jacket.

1046 00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:53,820 And then it's time to go to the next place.

1047 00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:56,080 And you're just confused all the time.

1048 00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:58,240 Because it's kind of like a labyrinth.

1049 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,580 And then you come to a place where they take a picture of you.

1050 00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:01,120 They scream.

1051 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:01,620 Take off your shirt.

1052 00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:02,200 Take off your shoes.

1053 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,400 There's no rhyme or reason in what you're doing.

1054 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:12,060 But the last place I come to is a man who says that I'm accused of terrorism.

1055 00:43:12,820 --> 00:43:18,860 And that we have refused to turn around when we've been told three times to turn around with our boat.

1056 00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:20,400 And that I'm going to sign under.

1057 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,700 And it's a paper in Hebrew.

1058 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,540 So I say I'm not signing under anything.

1059 00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:26,500 I don't understand.

1060 00:43:26,660 --> 00:43:27,660 And I want to have a lawyer.

1061 00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:30,040 And he screams at me.

1062 00:43:30,580 --> 00:43:31,540 That it's a game.

1063 00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:32,360 It doesn't matter what you want.

1064 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,300 Whether you sign under it or not.

1065 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,520 You're a terrorist anyway.

1066 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,480 And my guard.

1067 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,060 I thought you could be shorter than I am.

1068 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,820 But it's her.

1069 00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:47,360 Her nails are always in my arm.

1070 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,000 And she says to me.

1071 00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:51,000 Now you're going to prison.

1072 00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:53,880 Now you're going to learn how it really is.

1073 00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:58,920 And then I come to another step in this whole process.

1074 00:43:59,420 --> 00:44:01,480 And then I see a collection of pictures.

1075 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,860 Of people who are the only ones who don't radiate hate.

1076 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,300 Without having very friendly eyes.

1077 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,560 And then I understand that they are our lawyers.

1078 00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:12,200 That the organization has.

1079 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,860 And then I say.

1080 00:44:14,460 --> 00:44:17,840 I'm not going anywhere to someone if I don't get my lawyer.

1081 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,620 We had written the name of the lawyer who had our boat.

1082 00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:24,480 Or whatever you want to say.

1083 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,820 And phone number.

1084 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,520 So then I say that I want to have this lawyer.

1085 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:30,680 And this guard says.

1086 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:31,360 Yes, we.

1087 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,140 We are a democracy.

1088 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,900 You get access to lawyers.

1089 00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:36,640 So you see we are not barbarians.

1090 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,280 And I talk very little with her.

1091 00:44:39,340 --> 00:44:41,100 And she tries to talk to me all the time.

1092 00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:42,320 She wonders all the time.

1093 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,020 Are you angry?

1094 00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:45,140 No, I'm tired.

1095 00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:48,660 But then I have.

1096 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:50,880 I have to say that I'm lucky.

1097 00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:52,160 I get to meet a lawyer.

1098 00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:54,460 Wonderful woman.

1099 00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:57,600 Who is the only one who after all this.

1100 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,960 Looks friendly to us.

1101 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,440 And has two.

1102 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,680 Three minutes with her.

1103 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,160 Where she takes out my act.

1104 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:05,940 Or if you say.

1105 00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:07,760 Where we have a power of attorney.

1106 00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:09,620 That she can represent me.

1107 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,080 Check that it is underscored and correct.

1108 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:15,540 And then we go through what I'm going to say.

1109 00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:17,380 In this hearing.

1110 00:45:17,780 --> 00:45:19,180 Where she explains to me.

1111 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,060 That I will be accused of.

1112 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:23,900 Having broken against the Israeli law.

1113 00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:26,440 For that it is illegal.

1114 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,440 To get involved in military goals.

1115 00:45:28,580 --> 00:45:29,500 As they say.

1116 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,140 Gas is.

1117 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,080 While we.

1118 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,600 That according to international humanitarian law.

1119 00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:36,900 So is the blockade of Gaza illegal.

1120 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,720 So that we have not committed.

1121 00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:41,180 Any crime.

1122 00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:42,240 In that regard.

1123 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,000 Because it is they who have committed crimes.

1124 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,600 Because they have kidnapped us.

1125 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:46,800 On international water.

1126 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:47,940 We have not even reached Gaza.

1127 00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:50,660 And I do not have my own free will there.

1128 00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:51,900 In Polterstott.

1129 00:45:52,220 --> 00:45:56,300 So that's what I put forward to him.

1130 00:45:56,540 --> 00:45:58,100 And I also tell him.

1131 00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:59,600 About the treatment we have received.

1132 00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:01,220 That we have been forced.

1133 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,860 To kneel down in the sun.

1134 00:46:03,860 --> 00:46:04,880 And show up too.

1135 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,060 Because because of this asphalt.

1136 00:46:07,420 --> 00:46:08,340 And the gravel.

1137 00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:11,020 So I have a lot of gravel.

1138 00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:12,660 On my elbows.

1139 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:13,460 And my knees.

1140 00:46:13,540 --> 00:46:14,060 I'm in pain.

1141 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,660 I see later that I have bruises.

1142 00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:17,580 But it does not appear.

1143 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,460 I do not show it up.

1144 00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:22,460 But she says it is very important.

1145 00:46:22,660 --> 00:46:23,620 That I talk about this.

1146 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,020 And after that he says.

1147 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,560 I write under this paper.

1148 00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:31,160 That you are ready.

1149 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,460 To be deported.

1150 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,000 You do not admit anything.

1151 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,360 You just say that you want to leave Israel.

1152 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,360 As soon as possible.

1153 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,680 I go through with the lawyer.

1154 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,400 And this is what they say later.

1155 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,840 That we have not written under.

1156 00:46:41,980 --> 00:46:43,600 And that we just have to leave if we want.

1157 00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:45,820 But I have done that.

1158 00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:46,460 So I just.

1159 00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:49,260 Stayed there for a long time.

1160 00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:51,740 So I write under it.

1161 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,940 And after that she says.

1162 00:46:55,220 --> 00:46:56,840 She wants to hug me.

1163 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:57,880 But she does not get it.

1164 00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:59,340 But she just says.

1165 00:46:59,340 --> 00:47:00,940 That they are so happy.

1166 00:47:00,940 --> 00:47:01,480 And so grateful.

1167 00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:03,200 And so proud of what we have done.

1168 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,160 And then they scream at him.

1169 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,680 That she should not say such things to me.

1170 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,480 And my little guard.

1171 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,360 Says to me.

1172 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,680 You think you have done something good.

1173 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,680 But you have not.

1174 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:21,220 So it is the hangar thing.

1175 00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:23,040 That is so diffuse.

1176 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,000 And after that.

1177 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,700 They are cut off my shoes.

1178 00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:28,440 When I am on the transport.

1179 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,780 And there we have to wait.

1180 00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:31,880 For several hours.

1181 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,880 And if the transport can take 14 people.

1182 00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:37,340 Then they take in like 30.

1183 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,760 For it to be as unpleasant as possible.

1184 00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:43,740 And then we go to a place.

1185 00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:44,800 Which I now understand.

1186 00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:47,340 Was this Kisot prison.

1187 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,220 For several hours.

1188 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,380 It is warm.

1189 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,020 It is tight.

1190 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,760 But we are together.

1191 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,480 We are not allowed to go to the toilet.

1192 00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:56,100 People are so thirsty.

1193 00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:58,020 And then we come forward.

1194 00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:59,160 We go out.

1195 00:47:59,460 --> 00:48:00,180 All the women.

1196 00:48:00,180 --> 00:48:00,760 Who are.

1197 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,040 In this transport.

1198 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,100 Placed in a cage.

1199 00:48:04,740 --> 00:48:05,920 They like cages.

1200 00:48:06,140 --> 00:48:07,140 For some damn reason.

1201 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,780 The whole prison is full of cages.

1202 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,620 But it is the first time we meet.

1203 00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:11,940 And we are in a cage.

1204 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,060 And when we have just come.

1205 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,240 Then a lot of people come.

1206 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:16,940 On the way.

1207 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,860 And it is Bengavir.

1208 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,120 Who comes.

1209 00:48:21,260 --> 00:48:22,880 To look at us in the cage.

1210 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,140 And he screams.

1211 00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:27,140 That we are child murderers.

1212 00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:29,360 We are Hamas.

1213 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,980 But these 60 women.

1214 00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:34,080 I think we are.

1215 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,080 We start screaming back.

1216 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,080 That it is he who is a child murderer.

1217 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,080 And then we start screaming Free Palestine.

1218 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,080 That clip has not been published.

1219 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,080 I can say.

1220 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,080 Because we were not quiet for a minute.

1221 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,080 And I do not know.

1222 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,080 You are maybe cocky when you are in a cage.

1223 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,080 With just a lot of women.

1224 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,080 And I think afterwards.

1225 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,080 They had military with weapons.

1226 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,080 I also think that I thought.

1227 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,080 There is no danger of screaming.

1228 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,080 If they were on the picture.

1229 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,080 They started shooting down us.

1230 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,080 But it is also.

1231 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,080 Because he had a camera.

1232 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,080 And the whole ballet.

1233 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,080 The whole ballet.

1234 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,080 This was the media that was with him.

1235 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,080 Then he went into cells.

1236 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,080 And did the same thing.

1237 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,080 He did what Greta described in Aftonbladet.

1238 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,080 And there is a clip.

1239 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,080 When people sit down.

1240 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,080 It's the same place where I was on Sunday.

1241 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,080 In the sun.

1242 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,080 That's where you also hear.

1243 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,080 That someone on the floor. Screams. Free Palestine.

1244 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,080 But he did not scream in peace.

1245 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,080 To us.

1246 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,080 So unfortunately it does not exist.

1247 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,080 But it is here in my memory.

1248 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,080 Every little resistance action.

1249 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,080 Every little thing you can do.

1250 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,080 Is something that.

1251 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,080 Keeps the self-esteem.

1252 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,080 Yes, but also like this.

1253 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,080 We know all the time.

1254 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,080 That what they want is to break us down.

1255 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,080 So all these little resistance actions.

1256 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,080 Be like.

1257 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,080 What you do to show.

1258 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,080 We are not afraid.

1259 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,080 We are not going to give ourselves.

1260 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,080 This is something that in Sweden.

1261 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,080 Has come up to discussion now.

1262 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,080 Afterwards, so to speak.

1263 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,080 It is.

1264 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,080 Especially with Lisa Russlund's article.

1265 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,080 In Aftonbladet.

1266 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,080 Just the treatment of.

1267 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,080 Swedish citizens.

1268 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,080 And what little UD.

1269 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,080 Did for you.

1270 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,080 There on the spot.

1271 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,080 That this is a form of torture.

1272 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,080 But we talked a little before too.

1273 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,080 It comes from a.

1274 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,080 Latin American tradition.

1275 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,080 With your father.

1276 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,080 And the Latin American.

1277 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,080 Chilean left.

1278 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,080 How did you see.

1279 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,080 All that happened there.

1280 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,080 I steeled myself.

1281 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,080 From that.

1282 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,080 When I talk about when they go on.

1283 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,080 And I put myself.

1284 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,080 As in a vote.

1285 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,080 And I imagine myself.

1286 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,080 I have grown up with stories.

1287 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,080 About prison.

1288 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,080 And electricity.

1289 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,080 And like.

1290 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,080 How people were tortured.

1291 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,080 In Latin America.

1292 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,080 So I steeled myself.

1293 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,080 With those pictures.

1294 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,080 And that I also think.

1295 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,080 That I will keep calm.

1296 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,080 I will resist.

1297 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,080 But I do not want to be.

1298 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,080 My father's picture.

1299 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,080 On my son's chest.

1300 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,080 It is such a thing.

1301 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,080 That I promise myself.

1302 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,080 But.

1303 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,080 It is also stupid.

1304 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,080 Because for me it is like.

1305 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,080 You are not tortured.

1306 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,080 If you do not get electric shocks.

1307 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,080 But I know.

1308 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,080 It is just emotional.

1309 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,080 I can not talk about.

1310 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,080 That I was tortured.

1311 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,080 Because it feels like.

1312 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,080 So diminishing.

1313 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,080 Against my father's.

1314 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,080 Surviving friends.

1315 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,080 Or also.

1316 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,080 Above all.

1317 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,080 What the prisoners before us.

1318 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,080 And the prisoners in Palestine.

1319 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,080 Are subjected to daily.

1320 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,080 It is nothing.

1321 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,080 But yes.

1322 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,080 It is torture.

1323 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,080 To not give medicines.

1324 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,080 It is torture.

1325 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,080 To come in three times a night.

1326 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,080 With dogs.

1327 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,080 With drawn weapons.

1328 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,080 And count and scare people.

1329 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,080 It is torture.

1330 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,080 To wake up every night.

1331 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,080 On the bed.

1332 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,080 And I do not know why.

1333 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,080 That guard thinks.

1334 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,080 That it is very.

1335 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,080 Fun to aim.

1336 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,080 Against them.

1337 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,080 I do not know if they do it.

1338 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,080 Against others.

1339 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,080 But I wake up at night.

1340 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,080 And feel.

1341 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,080 And have it there.

1342 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,080 But I have stoned myself.

1343 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,080 And compare.

1344 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,080 You should not do that.

1345 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,080 I think Greta said it so well.

1346 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,080 That if you.

1347 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,080 From Israel's side.

1348 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,080 Are ready to treat.

1349 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,080 Citizens.

1350 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,080 With strong pass in this way.

1351 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,080 Think what they are ready to do.

1352 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,080 With people they think.

1353 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,080 Are completely lawless.

1354 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,080 And have nothing to protect at all.

1355 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,080 Yes really.

1356 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,080 And UD.

1357 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,080 What is there to say.

1358 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,080 About theirs.

1359 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,080 That Harald Edelstam.

1360 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,080 Turns and turns.

1361 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,080 In his grave.

1362 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,080 And wonders.

1363 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,080 What the hell happened.

1364 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,080 With the humanitarian diplomacy.

1365 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,080 I think the only time.

1366 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,080 I cry.

1367 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,080 Under this.

1368 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,080 It is.

1369 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,080 When UD.

1370 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,080 This Sunday.

1371 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,080 As Greta describes.

1372 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,080 With the water.

1373 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,080 On Friday.

1374 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,080 We meet them for the first time.

1375 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,080 What happens to us.

1376 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,080 And they have diminished everything.

1377 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,080 And we understand.

1378 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,080 That they have not spoken to the media.

1379 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,080 And we have.

1380 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,080 Many of us.

1381 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,080 Have written during this release.

1382 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,080 Within 72 hours.

1383 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,080 It is also something.

1384 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,080 That we have not done.

1385 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,080 Our government says.

1386 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,080 That we have not written.

1387 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,080 But this Sunday.

1388 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,080 When we know.

1389 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,080 They are in France.

1390 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,080 Greece and Italy.

1391 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,080 They come with cakes.

1392 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,080 That they have received.

1393 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,080 From their ambassadors.

1394 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,080 The ambassadors take their time.

1395 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,080 To meet the waters.

1396 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,080 Sweden does not send ambassadors.

1397 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,080 They send people for service.

1398 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,080 And just this.

1399 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,080 When we.

1400 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,080 Beg.

1401 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,080 To get water.

1402 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,080 Specially to one of the participants.

1403 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,080 Who both.

1404 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:56,080 drink the water. Everyone who understands this with hunger strike knows that if you don't drink

1405 00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:03,080 water and go dry hunger strike, it's life-threatening. And when I see this person that I've seen on

1406 00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:08,080 Friday and see how he looks on Sunday, I get scared and I don't understand that they don't get

1407 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:16,080 scared either. And when we don't want to go from there until we get water, because we start to ask

1408 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:25,080 the guards to come with water, and they just go. And then I say this about Harald Edelstam to them.

1409 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,080 And I also say to them that I can understand that you might think that we have to blame ourselves

1410 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:34,080 because we have done an action that you don't agree with, but you don't have any compassion.

1411 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:40,080 This is like the greatest indifference.

1412 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:46,080 Yes, because you still have power, you have some kind of, you are an ambassador's staff.

1413 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:55,080 And then I have also understood from what Thomas has said how little information they got.

1414 00:55:55,080 --> 00:56:00,080 And that the most difficult thing was the treatment from UD for our relatives.

1415 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:08,080 So yes, but I understand after reading and hearing what Ulf Kristersson and Maria Stenegard

1416 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:15,080 are saying about us. So I understand that the treatment may be afterwards, after political

1417 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,080 destruction.

1418 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:22,080 But sometimes I also think, I am also a service person, but you have to have a backbone.

1419 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:28,080 I think that, yes, for me it is completely incomprehensible their treatment of us.

1420 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:34,080 But considering how many different nationalities it was and everyone has been treated differently

1421 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:41,080 and their ambassadors and their local media, the stories still leak out.

1422 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:45,080 It did not come via the Swedish embassy or Swedish politicians,

1423 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:51,080 but it reaches other ways, it reaches to Sweden.

1424 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:57,080 Because then, how long are you in this prison?

1425 00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:06,080 I come there Thursday night to Kissot and we are released on Friday morning,

1426 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:13,080 or I say Friday, Monday morning, we are released and driven to the airport in Elgat.

1427 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,080 Yes.

1428 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,080 And then we fly afterwards to Athens.

1429 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:21,080 And then several other countries' participants have already been released then.

1430 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,080 Yes.

1431 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:32,080 And when you come to, you fly to Greece, you meet with, you have all white clothes on.

1432 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,080 Well, it looks white, but it is grey, you can look at them later.

1433 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,080 I have them here, they are prison clothes.

1434 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,080 They are prison clothes.

1435 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:43,080 We go out in prison clothes after we are on the plane and land in Athens.

1436 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,080 That is when we get back our pass.

1437 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:51,080 And then we also get a bag with our belongings where the pass was.

1438 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:56,080 And there I get back, I had put two euros, or if it was three euros,

1439 00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,080 in that plastic thing and my dad's photo.

1440 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,080 I get that back, but nothing more.

1441 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:09,080 My little bag that I see that they put on a tag so that I can get it back later,

1442 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,080 is it meant after I am released from prison?

1443 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,080 It will never come back.

1444 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:19,080 There are my shoes, there is my jacket, there are a lot of other things that they simply have stolen.

1445 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:24,080 So I come home with my pass and my dad's card.

1446 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,080 That's kind of it.

1447 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,080 And I only have my white clothes, I have no other clothes.

1448 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:39,080 And what is it like to get out of prison, be deported to this plane and then stand there in the airport in Athens?

1449 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,080 Yes.

1450 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,080 I am on a hunt for my damn...

1451 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:47,080 So I don't go out with everyone else, I come out myself a little later.

1452 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,080 And it's so nice and welcoming.

1453 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:55,080 People stand there and give you flowers and applaud.

1454 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,080 And it's like completely overpowering.

1455 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:05,080 And there is a picture of me that I know has spread on many Chilean platforms

1456 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,080 where someone has written, because I laugh.

1457 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,080 And then you see the picture of my dad.

1458 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,080 But I couldn't let myself laugh.

1459 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,080 You might not come out of a prison and laugh.

1460 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:26,080 But it's so nice to see this welcoming of people who have love in their eyes after all this damn hatred you have seen.

1461 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,080 And to feel that love.

1462 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:36,080 And also because I think that in some way, and that has always been my motto,

1463 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:43,080 because before when I was an activist in Chile and people asked why I was lying and that I had been involved in terrible things.

1464 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,080 And for me it has always been that they can take away a lot of things.

1465 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,080 They took away from me my country, my father and a lot of other things.

1466 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:57,080 But they never took away from me my ability to laugh and to see good things in life.

1467 00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,080 And for me it is a survival.

1468 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,080 Yes, really.

1469 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,080 To survive is resistance in itself.

1470 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,080 Yes.

1471 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:10,080 And also to be able to rejoice in things is resistance for me.

1472 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,080 So in Greece, in Athens, do you stay there for a long time?

1473 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,080 No, we stay there for a night. We all want to go home.

1474 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,080 Yes.

1475 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,080 It was just that it did not match to come home.

1476 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,080 And here I also just want to say that it is not Sweden that has fixed this.

1477 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:32,080 That we come with a charted plan from Israel to Greece is thanks to the Greek government.

1478 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,080 Yes.

1479 01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:38,080 They bring home their citizens and there European delegations get a place.

1480 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,080 Yes.

1481 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:50,080 And from Greece it is thanks to our organization and all the gathering I think that has been done that we can fly home.

1482 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,080 So everyone who is afraid of their tax money, no.

1483 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,080 The embassy is still not involved.

1484 01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,080 No, no.

1485 01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,080 No one is involved.

1486 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,080 No.

1487 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,080 No.

1488 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:05,080 There is also a delegation of volunteers from the national team here in Sweden.

1489 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:11,080 Which are there on site, and welcome us, and are fantastic.

1490 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:18,080 And then you sink down in Arlanda and meet there with both activists and a large press that

1491 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:25,080 Yes, who have been encouraged to come to the press conference on the plate as I understand it.

1492 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,080 I come out among the first.

1493 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,460 In my head, the only thing I want is to hug my kid.

1494 01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:39,880 And I know that he's restless, so I don't feel that they care about me.

1495 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,240 The media just wants to have a look at Greta.

1496 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:50,700 So I managed to take myself among the first ones to be able to hug my child in peace.

1497 01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:57,460 And that was wonderful. That's what I needed.

1498 01:01:57,460 --> 01:02:02,460 But then the media came, and I feel sorry for everyone else who stayed.

1499 01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:08,960 They didn't get the chance to see their family and relatives like I did.

1500 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:15,460 They got put up and the media went crazy.

1501 01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:21,460 And that's what the media in P1 are reporting about.

1502 01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:27,460 They talk about how Tete got put up, and it was a terrible tone.

1503 01:02:27,460 --> 01:02:30,460 That's what I see.

1504 01:02:30,460 --> 01:02:38,460 I might get put up, but I see an old man who almost falls over and wants to hug his daughter.

1505 01:02:38,460 --> 01:02:41,460 That he hasn't seen for two or three months.

1506 01:02:41,460 --> 01:02:44,460 So I wonder who has the right to what?

1507 01:02:44,460 --> 01:02:49,460 I listened to the media, and I've always had a lot of respect for that program.

1508 01:02:49,460 --> 01:02:55,460 I've always thought that it's cool to have a public service program that examines the media.

1509 01:02:55,460 --> 01:02:57,460 This was not a review report.

1510 01:02:57,460 --> 01:03:05,460 This was a report where the media had to cry out how tough the organizers were towards them.

1511 01:03:05,460 --> 01:03:10,460 And also that they describe Greta as a powerholder.

1512 01:03:10,460 --> 01:03:12,460 I was shocked.

1513 01:03:12,460 --> 01:03:16,460 Because I thought, she doesn't set any laws.

1514 01:03:16,460 --> 01:03:20,460 She has a big platform and people listen.

1515 01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:25,460 But this is also someone who has been exposed to terrible things.

1516 01:03:25,460 --> 01:03:27,460 I don't know how long it's been since I've been on the ocean.

1517 01:03:27,460 --> 01:03:30,460 Can't you respect what's been said?

1518 01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:33,460 That it's a press conference.

1519 01:03:33,460 --> 01:03:37,460 And that you get to meet your family in peace and quiet.

1520 01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:39,460 In Arlanda when you arrive.

1521 01:03:39,460 --> 01:03:42,460 And also, what was the expression?

1522 01:03:42,460 --> 01:03:45,460 You wanted to hear from the horse's mouth.

1523 01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:47,460 I don't know.

1524 01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:51,460 I understand that you want to do programs and stuff.

1525 01:03:51,460 --> 01:03:54,460 And want to have cool...

1526 01:03:54,460 --> 01:03:56,460 Maybe on the internet.

1527 01:03:56,460 --> 01:03:59,460 But at the same time, what's the ethics somewhere?

1528 01:03:59,460 --> 01:04:03,460 I wonder what's happened to the press ethics here in Sweden.

1529 01:04:03,460 --> 01:04:04,460 And then also...

1530 01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:08,460 There are a lot of clips of me in the media.

1531 01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:12,460 Because I think that you ask very stupid questions.

1532 01:04:12,460 --> 01:04:16,460 And it's not because I think that journalists are stupid.

1533 01:04:16,460 --> 01:04:19,460 I know that journalists are smart and have studied.

1534 01:04:19,460 --> 01:04:22,460 But I think you make yourself simple.

1535 01:04:22,460 --> 01:04:28,460 And I think that as a journalist you have a responsibility to ask smart, good questions.

1536 01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:30,460 Especially if you have the chance.

1537 01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:35,460 But I also understand that maybe Sagals Tor is not the place where you want to have a press conference.

1538 01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:39,460 And then we have received a lot of criticism that it was October 7th.

1539 01:04:39,460 --> 01:04:44,460 I mean, we didn't choose when we would be released or come home.

1540 01:04:44,460 --> 01:04:49,460 No, it has been said that you will be accommodated at Jom Kippur.

1541 01:04:49,460 --> 01:04:51,460 The Jewish holiday.

1542 01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:54,460 And that you came home October 7th.

1543 01:04:54,460 --> 01:05:00,460 As if it was a well-timed plan to come on just those two days.

1544 01:05:00,460 --> 01:05:04,460 It's like we have decided about it.

1545 01:05:04,460 --> 01:05:06,460 And we don't have that.

1546 01:05:06,460 --> 01:05:11,460 I would have liked to have flown home the same day we are in Porstadstutt.

1547 01:05:11,460 --> 01:05:14,460 It has happened to others that you are released on that day.

1548 01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:16,460 You come.

1549 01:05:16,460 --> 01:05:20,460 I would have liked to have done that and not been in this prison.

1550 01:05:20,460 --> 01:05:23,460 And I think that many of us would have liked to have done that.

1551 01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:25,460 That's why we wrote it down.

1552 01:05:25,460 --> 01:05:29,460 But in that way, I also think that it is so wrong.

1553 01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:34,460 But I can't answer why you have chosen to do it that way.

1554 01:05:34,460 --> 01:05:37,460 But I am quite disappointed in the media.

1555 01:05:37,460 --> 01:05:40,460 As an investigative program that I have had great respect for.

1556 01:05:40,460 --> 01:05:47,460 Because on Sagals Tor, both a manifestation has been called.

1557 01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:49,460 Welcome.

1558 01:05:49,460 --> 01:05:52,460 And press conference at the same time.

1559 01:05:52,460 --> 01:05:58,460 And there is a bit of a crack in those two forms as well.

1560 01:05:58,460 --> 01:06:00,460 Yes.

1561 01:06:00,460 --> 01:06:02,460 I am not involved in the manifestation.

1562 01:06:02,460 --> 01:06:05,460 Because we come to our own place where we are.

1563 01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:10,460 Where we also get examined by doctors.

1564 01:06:10,460 --> 01:06:16,460 And get food and meet our families in calmer ways.

1565 01:06:16,460 --> 01:06:19,460 Because it did not go so well in Arlanda.

1566 01:06:19,460 --> 01:06:23,460 And then we go down for a press conference.

1567 01:06:23,460 --> 01:06:26,460 And we are not involved in the manifestation itself.

1568 01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:29,460 We come down to a press conference.

1569 01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:31,460 But is it the same there?

1570 01:06:31,460 --> 01:06:34,460 That the media swirls around you before you can put it at the table?

1571 01:06:34,460 --> 01:06:37,460 There they try.

1572 01:06:37,460 --> 01:06:40,460 But there it is more organized than in Arlanda.

1573 01:06:40,460 --> 01:06:42,460 Because in Arlanda it just appeared.

1574 01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:44,460 But there we sit.

1575 01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:49,460 And I hear myself how TV4 is very angry.

1576 01:06:49,460 --> 01:06:51,460 Because they have been promised...

1577 01:06:51,460 --> 01:06:53,460 They will be late I think.

1578 01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:56,460 So I hear the journalist that she is very angry.

1579 01:06:56,460 --> 01:06:59,460 Because she has been promised a picture of us from the front.

1580 01:06:59,460 --> 01:07:03,460 And I am pissed off that she cannot stand up from the front.

1581 01:07:03,460 --> 01:07:05,460 It is so strange to hear such things.

1582 01:07:05,460 --> 01:07:08,460 You just say okay.

1583 01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:10,460 But I thought it was nice to see.

1584 01:07:10,460 --> 01:07:12,460 While we walk.

1585 01:07:12,460 --> 01:07:16,460 To see all the faces I usually see on Saturdays.

1586 01:07:16,460 --> 01:07:18,460 Because I know...

1587 01:07:18,460 --> 01:07:20,460 The organization wanted to have a press conference there.

1588 01:07:20,460 --> 01:07:22,460 I have no opinion about that.

1589 01:07:22,460 --> 01:07:28,460 But I think it is nice to come and be welcomed in the heart of Stockholm.

1590 01:07:28,460 --> 01:07:31,460 Where all the demonstrations usually come from.

1591 01:07:31,460 --> 01:07:35,460 I know that it is another format maybe.

1592 01:07:35,460 --> 01:07:39,460 But it is a format that maybe fits this movement.

1593 01:07:39,460 --> 01:07:41,460 And I think that as a journalist.

1594 01:07:41,460 --> 01:07:44,460 Maybe it is not what you are used to.

1595 01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:46,460 But maybe you can also understand.

1596 01:07:46,460 --> 01:07:48,460 Aha they do it this way.

1597 01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:52,460 Then there is a lot of angry anger.

1598 01:07:52,460 --> 01:07:54,460 Based on double standards.

1599 01:07:54,460 --> 01:07:56,460 And how the reporting has been.

1600 01:07:56,460 --> 01:08:01,460 How much did they write about the big, big power gathering.

1601 01:08:01,460 --> 01:08:04,460 When people left their homes here in Stockholm.

1602 01:08:04,460 --> 01:08:07,460 And there were so many people.

1603 01:08:07,460 --> 01:08:09,460 There was nothing about it.

1604 01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:10,460 No.

1605 01:08:10,460 --> 01:08:14,460 And the criminalization that has been done by the movement.

1606 01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:18,460 And there I think, unfortunately, many media have lost.

1607 01:08:18,460 --> 01:08:21,460 That people do not trust them anymore.

1608 01:08:21,460 --> 01:08:23,460 And it is about building up trust.

1609 01:08:23,460 --> 01:08:25,460 And I think that is a pity.

1610 01:08:25,460 --> 01:08:28,460 But it is not something that we who have been on the flotilla.

1611 01:08:28,460 --> 01:08:30,460 Can fix there and then.

1612 01:08:30,460 --> 01:08:33,460 But you who were in the delegation from the flotilla.

1613 01:08:33,460 --> 01:08:38,460 You knew all the time that all the focus will be on Greta Thunberg.

1614 01:08:38,460 --> 01:08:41,460 All the cameras and all that.

1615 01:08:41,460 --> 01:08:44,460 Did you have a strategy?

1616 01:08:44,460 --> 01:08:49,460 Or was it good that she faced this?

1617 01:08:49,460 --> 01:08:51,460 Because she has the biggest platform.

1618 01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:57,460 Or did you try in different ways to see that it would not be.

1619 01:08:57,460 --> 01:09:01,460 We participants are not in media strategy.

1620 01:09:01,460 --> 01:09:04,460 We have some who are responsible for the media.

1621 01:09:04,460 --> 01:09:06,460 But what I experience.

1622 01:09:06,460 --> 01:09:07,460 What we do as a delegation.

1623 01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:09,460 We who have been on the boat and are together.

1624 01:09:09,460 --> 01:09:11,460 It is that we are alike.

1625 01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:13,460 Greta is a part of us.

1626 01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:17,460 And we know that Greta is the name.

1627 01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:19,460 But it is not that.

1628 01:09:19,460 --> 01:09:21,460 I feel that Greta is a part of us.

1629 01:09:21,460 --> 01:09:23,460 We do this together.

1630 01:09:23,460 --> 01:09:25,460 And no.

1631 01:09:25,460 --> 01:09:28,460 I do not know if that is the answer to your question.

1632 01:09:28,460 --> 01:09:30,460 We do not think about that.

1633 01:09:30,460 --> 01:09:35,460 Because I admire Greta enormously.

1634 01:09:35,460 --> 01:09:37,460 Because I do not think that I have met.

1635 01:09:37,460 --> 01:09:39,460 A person who is so famous.

1636 01:09:39,460 --> 01:09:41,460 And so humble.

1637 01:09:41,460 --> 01:09:43,460 And who has not been corrupted.

1638 01:09:43,460 --> 01:09:45,460 By that position.

1639 01:09:45,460 --> 01:09:47,460 And in a clean way.

1640 01:09:47,460 --> 01:09:50,460 Because what she said at the airport in Greece.

1641 01:09:50,460 --> 01:09:52,460 It is in a clean way.

1642 01:09:52,460 --> 01:09:56,460 And what she says during the press conference.

1643 01:09:56,460 --> 01:09:58,460 It is also in a clean way.

1644 01:09:58,460 --> 01:10:01,460 Based on these questions.

1645 01:10:01,460 --> 01:10:03,460 That she does not want to talk about.

1646 01:10:03,460 --> 01:10:05,460 That Greta was tortured.

1647 01:10:05,460 --> 01:10:06,460 That is what it will be.

1648 01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:09,460 She makes a very good speech.

1649 01:10:09,460 --> 01:10:11,460 About that she could talk about this.

1650 01:10:11,460 --> 01:10:12,460 About this.

1651 01:10:12,460 --> 01:10:13,460 About this.

1652 01:10:13,460 --> 01:10:16,460 And it may irritate the media.

1653 01:10:16,460 --> 01:10:19,460 Because you know that you have not talked about those things.

1654 01:10:19,460 --> 01:10:21,460 So that she may be the mirror that you do not want to see.

1655 01:10:21,460 --> 01:10:23,460 I do not know.

1656 01:10:23,460 --> 01:10:24,460 But what I think.

1657 01:10:24,460 --> 01:10:26,460 Among everything that is said.

1658 01:10:26,460 --> 01:10:28,460 I think that the most ridiculous question is.

1659 01:10:28,460 --> 01:10:30,460 I do not know if it is Sweden's radio.

1660 01:10:30,460 --> 01:10:34,460 Who says if we do not think that we take away focus.

1661 01:10:34,460 --> 01:10:36,460 But it is you who ask the questions.

1662 01:10:36,460 --> 01:10:38,460 In what way do we have the responsibility.

1663 01:10:38,460 --> 01:10:40,460 To take away the focus.

1664 01:10:40,460 --> 01:10:42,460 Because we went and wanted to break the blockade.

1665 01:10:42,460 --> 01:10:44,460 When it is to take away the focus.

1666 01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:46,460 From Gaza and the people's table.

1667 01:10:46,460 --> 01:10:49,460 You could have taken a completely different choice.

1668 01:10:49,460 --> 01:10:52,460 And sent the cameras there.

1669 01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:53,460 Yes.

1670 01:10:53,460 --> 01:10:54,460 Or as I do.

1671 01:10:54,460 --> 01:10:55,460 It is not heard.

1672 01:10:55,460 --> 01:10:56,460 But as I say to him.

1673 01:10:56,460 --> 01:10:59,460 Is that you have been able to interview.

1674 01:10:59,460 --> 01:11:02,460 And have reporting from your colleagues.

1675 01:11:02,460 --> 01:11:03,460 Who are in place in Gaza.

1676 01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:06,460 It is also that all this happened.

1677 01:11:06,460 --> 01:11:08,460 As the whole.

1678 01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:10,460 Trump's peace plan came.

1679 01:11:10,460 --> 01:11:12,460 And that it is.

1680 01:11:12,460 --> 01:11:14,460 In the same vein.

1681 01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:16,460 And it has been a lot now.

1682 01:11:16,460 --> 01:11:18,460 Why does not Palestine celebrate.

1683 01:11:18,460 --> 01:11:20,460 The activists.

1684 01:11:20,460 --> 01:11:23,460 And what will happen now.

1685 01:11:23,460 --> 01:11:26,460 Will the demonstrations stop.

1686 01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:28,460 Or will they continue.

1687 01:11:28,460 --> 01:11:30,460 Or what.

1688 01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:32,460 I do not know.

1689 01:11:32,460 --> 01:11:33,460 It has been done.

1690 01:11:33,460 --> 01:11:35,460 Cease fire deals before.

1691 01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:37,460 They have been broken.

1692 01:11:37,460 --> 01:11:38,460 And I think a lot about.

1693 01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:40,460 What Francesca Albanese says.

1694 01:11:40,460 --> 01:11:42,460 That much of Israel is.

1695 01:11:42,460 --> 01:11:44,460 You cease we fire.

1696 01:11:44,460 --> 01:11:47,460 You continue to shoot people.

1697 01:11:47,460 --> 01:11:48,460 What I think of.

1698 01:11:48,460 --> 01:11:51,460 What is nice is.

1699 01:11:51,460 --> 01:11:52,460 That it may come in.

1700 01:11:52,460 --> 01:11:54,460 More emergency help now.

1701 01:11:54,460 --> 01:11:56,460 And that people may get.

1702 01:11:56,460 --> 01:11:57,460 A little peace and quiet.

1703 01:11:57,460 --> 01:11:59,460 But.

1704 01:11:59,460 --> 01:12:01,460 This was until Palestine.

1705 01:12:01,460 --> 01:12:03,460 Palestine is free.

1706 01:12:03,460 --> 01:12:05,460 It is not free.

1707 01:12:05,460 --> 01:12:07,460 So I can not answer for.

1708 01:12:07,460 --> 01:12:09,460 Palestine demonstrations in large.

1709 01:12:09,460 --> 01:12:11,460 Because I am only part of the movement.

1710 01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:13,460 And this is perhaps.

1711 01:12:13,460 --> 01:12:14,460 As people do not understand.

1712 01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:15,460 They always want.

1713 01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:16,460 Who is the organizer.

1714 01:12:16,460 --> 01:12:17,460 Who is behind.

1715 01:12:17,460 --> 01:12:18,460 It does not exist.

1716 01:12:18,460 --> 01:12:19,460 It is a movement.

1717 01:12:19,460 --> 01:12:21,460 But I as part of the movement.

1718 01:12:21,460 --> 01:12:22,460 I feel that.

1719 01:12:22,460 --> 01:12:24,460 The thing was to Palestine is free.

1720 01:12:24,460 --> 01:12:26,460 It is not free.

1721 01:12:26,460 --> 01:12:27,460 And it's not just about gas.

1722 01:12:27,460 --> 01:12:29,460 It's about the West Bank.

1723 01:12:29,460 --> 01:12:30,460 And it was also a question.

1724 01:12:30,460 --> 01:12:32,460 We got at the press conference.

1725 01:12:32,460 --> 01:12:34,460 What we thought the solution was.

1726 01:12:34,460 --> 01:12:36,460 I am not Palestinian.

1727 01:12:36,460 --> 01:12:37,460 It is not.

1728 01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:38,460 It is not me.

1729 01:12:38,460 --> 01:12:40,460 Who will talk about the solution.

1730 01:12:40,460 --> 01:12:41,460 So I do not know.

1731 01:12:41,460 --> 01:12:43,460 I just know that I will continue.

1732 01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:45,460 And go to demos.

1733 01:12:45,460 --> 01:12:47,460 And I will continue.

1734 01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:49,460 Talk about the genocide.

1735 01:12:49,460 --> 01:12:51,460 And the eyes on the West Bank.

1736 01:12:51,460 --> 01:12:52,460 And gas.

1737 01:12:52,460 --> 01:12:53,460 Because I really believe.

1738 01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:55,460 I also feel that.

1739 01:12:55,460 --> 01:12:57,460 That all this that has happened now.

1740 01:12:57,460 --> 01:12:58,460 For two years.

1741 01:12:58,460 --> 01:12:59,460 I became.

1742 01:12:59,460 --> 01:13:01,460 I became more free.

1743 01:13:01,460 --> 01:13:02,460 In.

1744 01:13:02,460 --> 01:13:04,460 That Palestine in some way.

1745 01:13:04,460 --> 01:13:06,460 Is not just free Palestine.

1746 01:13:06,460 --> 01:13:08,460 But also.

1747 01:13:08,460 --> 01:13:10,460 This also.

1748 01:13:10,460 --> 01:13:12,460 Freed me from.

1749 01:13:12,460 --> 01:13:14,460 To.

1750 01:13:14,460 --> 01:13:16,460 To be able to talk about things.

1751 01:13:16,460 --> 01:13:19,460 From a colonial perspective.

1752 01:13:19,460 --> 01:13:21,460 And at the same time.

1753 01:13:21,460 --> 01:13:23,460 It is something you have felt for a long time.

1754 01:13:23,460 --> 01:13:25,460 That is wrong in the West.

1755 01:13:25,460 --> 01:13:27,460 And this double morality.

1756 01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:28,460 Just appeared.

1757 01:13:28,460 --> 01:13:29,460 I mean.

1758 01:13:29,460 --> 01:13:30,460 You drew down.

1759 01:13:30,460 --> 01:13:31,460 The brawls.

1760 01:13:31,460 --> 01:13:32,460 In the Western world.

1761 01:13:32,460 --> 01:13:33,460 And that.

1762 01:13:33,460 --> 01:13:34,460 I think.

1763 01:13:34,460 --> 01:13:35,460 Is fantastic.

1764 01:13:35,460 --> 01:13:36,460 Good.

1765 01:13:36,460 --> 01:13:37,460 Because when.

1766 01:13:37,460 --> 01:13:38,460 When.

1767 01:13:38,460 --> 01:13:39,460 When you can see the structures.

1768 01:13:39,460 --> 01:13:40,460 And you can see.

1769 01:13:40,460 --> 01:13:41,460 The calm.

1770 01:13:41,460 --> 01:13:42,460 In some way.

1771 01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:43,460 So.

1772 01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:44,460 The emperor is naked.

1773 01:13:44,460 --> 01:13:45,460 Then maybe.

1774 01:13:45,460 --> 01:13:46,460 We together.

1775 01:13:46,460 --> 01:13:47,460 Can start doing something else.

1776 01:13:47,460 --> 01:13:48,460 I have to thank you.

1777 01:13:48,460 --> 01:13:49,460 Marita.

1778 01:13:49,460 --> 01:13:50,460 And.

1779 01:13:50,460 --> 01:13:51,460 Yes.

1780 01:13:51,460 --> 01:13:52,460 I was impressed.

1781 01:13:52,460 --> 01:13:53,460 What you have done.

1782 01:13:53,460 --> 01:13:54,460 And now.

1783 01:13:54,460 --> 01:13:55,460 Just go back.

1784 01:13:55,460 --> 01:13:56,460 To work.

1785 01:13:56,460 --> 01:13:57,460 But.

1786 01:13:57,460 --> 01:13:58,460 I hope.

1787 01:13:58,460 --> 01:13:59,460 Still.

1788 01:13:59,460 --> 01:14:00,460 That.

1789 01:14:00,460 --> 01:14:01,460 You look.

1790 01:14:01,460 --> 01:14:02,460 And have a strength.

1791 01:14:02,460 --> 01:14:03,460 In this.

1792 01:14:03,460 --> 01:14:04,460 And we will see each other.

1793 01:14:04,460 --> 01:14:05,460 On Saturdays.

1794 01:14:05,460 --> 01:14:06,460 At the demonstrations.

1795 01:14:06,460 --> 01:14:07,460 Always.

1796 01:14:07,460 --> 01:14:08,460 Thank you very much.

1797 01:14:08,460 --> 01:14:09,460 Mathias.

1798 01:14:09,460 --> 01:14:10,460 Thank you.