Bjørn Lomborg, chef för Copenhagen Consensus Center, har länge studerat vilken nytta pengar som går till exempelvis bistånd och klimatåtgärder gör. En del är pengar i sjön, medan andra åtgärder är mycket effektiva. Andreas Ericson intervjuar honom om biståndet, klimatpolitiken och åsiktskorridoren.
1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,780 Det är torsdagen den 22 januari. Jag heter Andreas Eriksson och du lyssnar på Leda-redaktionen, en podd från Svenska Dagbladet.
2 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,280 Varmt välkomna ska ni vara till oss igen. Idag ska vi ta oss an minst sagt stora frågor.
3 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:32,940 Hur ska vi egentligen prioritera världens resurser för att lösa de mest omfattande problemen vi har när det gäller exempelvis svält, undernäring, sjukdomar, brist på utbildning och så vidare?
4 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,140 För att inte tala om de miljöproblem som exempelvis den globala uppvärmningen skapar.
5 00:00:37,140 --> 00:00:43,340 Vilka åtgärder är det som är effektiva? Vilka är det som ger mest givet vilka resurser man satsar?
6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,280 Och tvärtom, vilka är det som inte gör någon nytta alls trots att de kanske är väldigt dyra?
7 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:55,740 Det ska vi prata om idag och det ska vi göra med hjälp av en person som ni som har följt med Svenska Dagbladets ledare-redaktion känner väl till.
8 00:00:56,340 --> 00:01:02,920 Han har varit en återkommande gästskribent i många år och heter Björn Lomborg och kommer från Copenhagen Consensus Center.
9 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,160 Welcome to ledare-redaktionen Björn.
10 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:05,900 Många tack.
11 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:08,600 Nice to have you on the podcast.
12 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,980 First of all, I'd like to quote one of your famous countrymen, H.C. Andersson.
13 00:01:13,580 --> 00:01:17,860 In the preface to a Swedish translation of one of his books, he wrote, and I quote,
14 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:24,300 Jag håller eke av att danske bör översättas på svensk, icke heller att svenska förs över i vårt språk.
15 00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:34,100 Vi naboer, kone och skole läser hinande i originelle, men det visar sig att detta ännu inte pågår, så översättelser är nödvändiga för många.
16 00:01:34,100 --> 00:01:35,100 And this is...
17 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:37,300 Unfortunately, it's still the case.
18 00:01:37,420 --> 00:01:39,260 So we're going to have this conversation in English.
19 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,320 That's fine with you?
20 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:41,560 It's fine with me.
21 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,300 And congrats on your day, me.
22 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:44,780 Thank you.
23 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,140 Thank you, H.C. Andersson.
24 00:01:48,020 --> 00:01:51,260 I'd like to start with your latest piece in Svenska Dagbladets.
25 00:01:51,460 --> 00:01:55,960 You wrote it in December about the UN Sustainability Development Goals.
26 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,040 Their deadline is pretty close now, 2013.
27 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,960 How are we doing with these goals?
28 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:03,900 Not very well.
29 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:04,620 Okay.
30 00:02:04,780 --> 00:02:05,880 And in some way...
31 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,820 It really tells a very important story.
32 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,420 So back in 2015, we did these goals.
33 00:02:13,660 --> 00:02:16,640 So Sweden signed up, Denmark signed up, every country in the world.
34 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:25,180 I don't think North Korea did, but virtually every country in the world signed up to do everything for everyone, everywhere, all the time.
35 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:27,980 And anything you can possibly imagine.
36 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,920 So we promised to get rid of poverty, get rid of hunger, get rid of disease, pretty much.
37 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:35,860 And get rid of air pollution.
38 00:02:35,860 --> 00:02:39,620 And climate change, and war, and all other good things in the world.
39 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:46,880 And it's very well-intentioned, but we can't actually deliver on all these things.
40 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,160 When you promise everything, you'll eventually end up making a lot of people feel really let down.
41 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:56,320 So what we did was we promised way too much.
42 00:02:56,420 --> 00:03:04,020 And we didn't give a thought about what can we do at realistic costs, and what can we do first.
43 00:03:04,020 --> 00:03:05,020 If we can't do everything...
44 00:03:05,860 --> 00:03:09,320 We should have a conversation about where should we start, what should we do first.
45 00:03:09,740 --> 00:03:10,180 Okay.
46 00:03:11,140 --> 00:03:12,420 Just a piece of background.
47 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,380 There were earlier UN goals, the Millennium Goals, and we did quite well, didn't we?
48 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:17,040 We did.
49 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,160 We did a lot better.
50 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:20,960 And it's a cautionary tale.
51 00:03:21,140 --> 00:03:25,380 So in 2000, the UN did the Millennium Development Goals.
52 00:03:26,140 --> 00:03:29,480 And in reality, it was just really seven goals.
53 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,260 And they were all very simple.
54 00:03:31,580 --> 00:03:32,920 Get people out of poverty.
55 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:34,880 So it was more than half.
56 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,500 The global population of poverty.
57 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,240 Get moms and kids to not die.
58 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:42,980 Get people out of starvation.
59 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,060 Get more trees or less deforestation.
60 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,420 And a few others.
61 00:03:48,780 --> 00:03:50,700 Oh, get all kids into schools.
62 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:53,020 So these were very simple things.
63 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,260 And surprisingly and quite encouragingly, we managed to do a lot of them.
64 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,800 We didn't manage to do all of them, but we really got a far way.
65 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,800 And the reason is we picked a few goals.
66 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:13,120 And we picked really smart goals, meaning goals that are fairly cheap to do and that are obvious that we need to do first.
67 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:19,860 So instead of promising everything to everyone, we promised a few very specific things and we actually managed to do a lot of it.
68 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:22,240 That's what we should have done in 2015.
69 00:04:22,460 --> 00:04:25,740 And of course, that's why we're failing badly here in 2026.
70 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:28,000 So simply put, we overreached.
71 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:29,180 Yes, yes.
72 00:04:29,180 --> 00:04:33,740 And, you know, it's not surprising if you ask everyone, what do you want to do?
73 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:34,760 And there's no.
74 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,900 You obviously want to say, well, we should do all good things.
75 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:40,660 And that was essentially what happened.
76 00:04:40,940 --> 00:04:47,600 So this was set by about 80 UN ambassadors in New York over a period of about a year.
77 00:04:48,180 --> 00:04:52,680 And I went to meet with a lot of them, about a third of them individually in New York.
78 00:04:52,980 --> 00:04:57,240 And I tried to tell them, please, please, please don't promise everything to everyone.
79 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,360 But of course, their goal was just to put in as many nice words in the document.
80 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,760 It's a really long and very boring document.
81 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,100 But the reality is when you promise everything to everyone, you will fail.
82 00:05:08,580 --> 00:05:15,580 And right now we are on the schedule, on the timetable with about 20 percent of them, I think.
83 00:05:15,780 --> 00:05:16,060 Yes.
84 00:05:16,180 --> 00:05:21,100 And there are some who is stagnant and some are moving backwards, actually.
85 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:21,460 Yes.
86 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:21,700 Yes.
87 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,680 So there is one measure of how well we're doing.
88 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,020 And it's very, very hard to do because it's so many different targets.
89 00:05:30,020 --> 00:05:33,020 But it seems to indicate that right now we're going to be 50%.
90 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:34,460 We're going to be 50 years late.
91 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,660 We're going to be done in 2089 instead of 2030.
92 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,720 So, yeah, we're a little behind.
93 00:05:41,740 --> 00:05:45,980 And one of your main argument is that we need to get our priorities right.
94 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:53,240 We have to, given the limited resources, where can every penny do the most good?
95 00:05:54,140 --> 00:05:58,620 And what is the answer to that when it comes to a cost-benefit analysis?
96 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,760 So I actually just gave you a book that gives you that answer.
97 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:03,540 That answer.
98 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:04,320 I have it in my hand.
99 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:04,640 Yes.
100 00:06:04,780 --> 00:06:10,940 So we worked together with more than 100 economists, world's top economists and several Nobel laureates,
101 00:06:11,060 --> 00:06:17,120 to try to figure out, of all the things we promised, which ones can you spend a kronor,
102 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:23,380 or more realistically, a couple hundred million kronor, and do the most good for every kronor spent?
103 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,360 And this should be an obvious thing, right?
104 00:06:25,420 --> 00:06:28,820 I mean, we do this all the time in our private lives.
105 00:06:28,820 --> 00:06:33,600 I don't know your life, but I'm assuming that your kids want a new bike.
106 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,440 And you also want to go on a vacation.
107 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,760 And maybe the roof is leaking.
108 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,120 And there's all kinds of things.
109 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,400 And you always have to make hard choices with your limited resources.
110 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,320 Again, I'm assuming you're not a billionaire.
111 00:06:45,260 --> 00:06:46,760 No, I'm not.
112 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:50,980 So we have to make tough choices.
113 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:53,140 And so we look at how much is the benefit?
114 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:54,460 How much is this going to cost?
115 00:06:54,460 --> 00:07:00,240 And we make sort of a fairly simple equation of where can I get the most bang for my kronor?
116 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,740 And this is also what we teach our kids.
117 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,620 If you want a new bike, you want new Pokemon cards, whatever.
118 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,500 Well, do an analysis.
119 00:07:09,620 --> 00:07:10,420 Cost benefit analysis.
120 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:15,740 Landebo hjälper dig att ta kontroll över din framtid.
121 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,380 Låt dina pengar växa i din takt på ett sätt som gör morgondagen ljusare.
122 00:07:21,220 --> 00:07:24,900 Landebos erfarna kapital- och relationsförvaltare står redo att guida dig.
123 00:07:25,220 --> 00:07:27,640 Men kom ihåg att investeringar innebär en risk.
124 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,540 Upptäck hela vårt fondutbud på landebo.se.
125 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,520 Vi på Danske Bank vet att företag har olag.
126 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:43,360 I en värld som ständigt förändras hjälper vi ditt företag att navigera om världen.
127 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:45,580 Från de minsta till de största.
128 00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:50,020 Vi ger företag finansiell rådgivning i Sverige och i resten av Norden.
129 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:52,440 Vi är hela Nordens företagsbank.
130 00:07:52,980 --> 00:07:53,620 Danske Bank.
131 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,560 And so that was what we did in this book.
132 00:07:59,660 --> 00:08:02,740 So we ended up finding...
133 00:08:02,740 --> 00:08:06,960 So we somewhat arbitrarily, but this is upset by our nobles at one point.
134 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,960 We said, all right, let's look for all the things that deliberately...
135 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,720 We said, we need to look for all the things that deliberately...
136 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,860 We said, we need at least 15 kronors of wealth, or of social good, back on every krona.
137 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,320 That's a fantastic payback.
138 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,520 Remember, this is not something you can get rich of.
139 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,880 This is not mostly financial benefits.
140 00:08:24,060 --> 00:08:29,420 So we both look at the financial benefits, but we also look at the environmental benefits
141 00:08:29,420 --> 00:08:31,740 and the social benefits, people not dying, for instance.
142 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,539 But those are the very, very best things we could do.
143 00:08:35,580 --> 00:08:38,320 And we identified 12 of these things.
144 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,820 So just let me give you a few examples.
145 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,340 From the book and from the analysis.
146 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:50,120 It tells you, for instance, we could do an enormous amount of good for maternal and newborn health.
147 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,620 So one of the things we don't think about here in the rich world is
148 00:08:53,620 --> 00:09:00,300 the most dangerous day in a woman's life in most of the world is the day she gives birth.
149 00:09:00,940 --> 00:09:02,140 That's just crazy.
150 00:09:02,260 --> 00:09:07,280 I mean, it used to be like that here, but it's no longer because we know how to deal with this.
151 00:09:07,620 --> 00:09:08,280 How do you fix it?
152 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,580 Well, we actually have a very cheap way.
153 00:09:10,580 --> 00:09:11,680 We are fixing most of it.
154 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:21,100 You need to get the woman into a facility because, you know, if if most births go fine, but if they go wrong, they often go dramatically wrong.
155 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:24,140 And so you need to be in an institution so you can handle this.
156 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:29,900 And if you are there, you also need to have very simple things like clean water, antiseptics.
157 00:09:30,180 --> 00:09:31,960 You need to have a resuscitator.
158 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:40,300 If the child can't breathe, it actually turns out that even here in Europe, about five percent of all kids don't breathe and they need positive air pressure.
159 00:09:40,340 --> 00:09:40,580 You know.
160 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:43,240 A little balloon, essentially, into their lungs.
161 00:09:43,340 --> 00:09:44,560 It's very simple procedure.
162 00:09:44,660 --> 00:09:46,780 But if you don't have it, the kid will die.
163 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:54,980 What we find is this is a very simple thing, very cheap thing to do, too, that the World Health Organization estimate everyone should do.
164 00:09:55,280 --> 00:10:03,500 If we could go from about two thirds of all women going into institutions to 90 percent and these institutions were slightly better equipped.
165 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:06,640 We're not talking about fancy hotel hospitals.
166 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,120 We're just talking about slightly better.
167 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:10,340 We estimate for about three billion women.
168 00:10:10,340 --> 00:10:24,060 Three billion dollars a year, so not nothing, not something you or I have, but, you know, a very small amount of money in the international setting for three billion dollars a year, we could save one hundred and sixty six thousand moms from dying each year.
169 00:10:24,060 --> 00:10:26,520 That's more than half of all the moms who die every year.
170 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:30,080 And we could save one point two million kids.
171 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:32,480 This is just one of the best things we could do.
172 00:10:32,660 --> 00:10:34,160 We estimate for every krona spent.
173 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,900 You could do eighty seven krona's worth of good.
174 00:10:37,340 --> 00:10:39,560 And this is just one of these twelve things.
175 00:10:39,860 --> 00:10:39,980 Yeah.
176 00:10:39,980 --> 00:10:40,180 So.
177 00:10:40,180 --> 00:10:49,900 We look at education, for instance, where you can do very simple and effective things that for fairly little money deliver much better educated kids.
178 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:51,860 We can perhaps talk about that.
179 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,540 We can talk about tuberculosis, malaria, obvious diseases to to tackle vaccinations.
180 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:04,280 But it's also something about making sure that people have more opportunity in poor worlds like land tenure reform.
181 00:11:04,780 --> 00:11:10,020 So for most people, they work in agriculture and many don't know if they actually.
182 00:11:10,020 --> 00:11:18,420 Own the land because there's not good land registration, about a billion people on the planet believe that in the next five years they're going to be evicted from the land.
183 00:11:18,780 --> 00:11:31,080 If you think that you're not going to dig a well or or make irrigation or plant orchards so that the trees will only bloom and give fruit in five or 10 years, you will just do what you can for the next year.
184 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:31,680 Right.
185 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:34,740 In Swedish, we would call this a lot.
186 00:11:34,740 --> 00:11:35,340 Hanging the fruit.
187 00:11:35,620 --> 00:11:37,260 Yes, the low hanging fruit.
188 00:11:37,860 --> 00:11:39,760 Why isn't that being done?
189 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:47,440 Already then the short answer is a little bit is being done, but it's because we're back to this.
190 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,820 We want to do everything.
191 00:11:48,820 --> 00:11:53,920 So when you talk to a lot of politicians, they like to say, I want to do all good things, right?
192 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,140 Because that makes it sound like they're doing more.
193 00:11:56,140 --> 00:12:00,800 So they will say, oh, I want to do something that will help women.
194 00:12:01,060 --> 00:12:03,620 Oh, but I also want to help rule women.
195 00:12:03,620 --> 00:12:06,540 I also want to help those with with children.
196 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:09,700 And maybe we want to make sure that these are indigenous people.
197 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:11,500 Maybe we want to make sure that they're illiterate.
198 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:19,800 You know, you put up all these boxes and you take all these different things and then you end up doing something that sounds good and that looks good in the press release.
199 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:33,520 But it's not very effective when you say, for instance, as I just mentioned, we need what the World Health Organization called be monks of basic emergency obstetric and newborn care in hospitals and get women into institutions to give birth.
200 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,260 That doesn't sound very sexy.
201 00:12:35,260 --> 00:12:36,700 And it's just one thing.
202 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,380 So you want to take a lot of boxes.
203 00:12:39,380 --> 00:12:39,680 You want.
204 00:12:39,700 --> 00:12:41,500 You want to get a lot of news releases out.
205 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,520 And so you end up doing a little bit of everything, just like the sustainable development goals did.
206 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,160 Right.
207 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:56,500 And on the other hand of the spectrum, are there things being done today that are expensive, but not very good, really, when you when you when you examine them?
208 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,240 Oh, we do a lot of things that are just somewhat good.
209 00:13:00,580 --> 00:13:05,280 I'm sure we also do things that are really, really bad, but we don't look at those.
210 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,560 So we typically look at the stuff that is reasonably good.
211 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:15,660 So we find there's a lot of things you can do that deliver, say, two, three, four kronors back on the ground.
212 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,080 Now, that's a nice thing.
213 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:19,380 And I'm glad we're doing that.
214 00:13:19,660 --> 00:13:25,980 One obvious thing that we've had a lot of conversations also with the Indians about is water, water and sanitation.
215 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:33,040 So, you know, a lot of people will say this is one of the most important things to do, because obviously, if you don't have water, you die.
216 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,660 But this, of course, is also why everybody who's alive in the world actually do have water.
217 00:13:38,180 --> 00:13:39,600 So when you talk about getting.
218 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:43,660 More water, it's much more about getting more convenient water.
219 00:13:43,900 --> 00:13:46,720 So this is and I'm not belittling this.
220 00:13:46,820 --> 00:13:58,960 It's very important to be able to get water because it means that especially women, especially girls, don't have to walk a long way to carry this water back home so that mom and dad can use it.
221 00:13:59,420 --> 00:14:09,680 But again, if we look at the cost, especially if you look at sanitation, which ends up being very expensive, you want to keep it, you end up with benefit cost ratios.
222 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:16,880 So for every krona spent, you'll do three kronas of of good and a lot of these are not done well.
223 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:23,740 So you'll just dig a little pit latrine to tell the authorities and maybe tell the Swedish authorities as well.
224 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:30,540 Well, we've done something for sanitation, so you've got a checkmark, but then it's never used because it smells terrible.
225 00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:33,860 It's not being emptied well, frequently enough and so on.
226 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,600 So there's a lot of ways that things don't do all that much good.
227 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:39,100 Again, I'm not saying.
228 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:50,420 You know, I'm glad we live in a world where there's also people who are doing this, but I'm simply saying when we don't have enough resources to do all good things, perhaps we should focus on doing the credibly good things first.
229 00:14:51,420 --> 00:14:55,000 How familiar are you with this policies of foreign aid in Sweden?
230 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,460 I was wondering, are we doing good right now?
231 00:14:57,780 --> 00:15:00,080 So I actually live in Sweden.
232 00:15:00,220 --> 00:15:03,460 I live in southern Sweden right on the other side of Copenhagen.
233 00:15:04,460 --> 00:15:06,180 So I know some of it.
234 00:15:07,060 --> 00:15:09,600 If you had the minister for foreign aid, Benjamin Dosa.
235 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:12,320 Here in the studio, what would you give him for advice?
236 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:21,620 Well, I actually had the pleasure of meeting him last year and I gave him the book and he really liked the idea.
237 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,080 But remember, he's also a politician.
238 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,440 So you gave him the short version.
239 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:32,220 I gave him both the short and the long version, but I'm pretty sure that the short version was more popular.
240 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,740 Björn gave me one book and one small leaflet, so even the politicians can read it.
241 00:15:37,740 --> 00:15:38,160 Exactly.
242 00:15:38,380 --> 00:15:39,620 Or at least they're more likely.
243 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:41,400 To get a glance of it.
244 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,960 And he really likes the idea of doing effective policies.
245 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:51,440 He very clearly instructed CETA to spend their money more effectively.
246 00:15:51,860 --> 00:15:59,440 But of course, there's also all these other pushes and we get this across both Europe and Canada and Australia and New Zealand.
247 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,180 So pretty much all rich countries, unless you're Trump where you just destroy everything.
248 00:16:04,180 --> 00:16:08,660 But even in other countries like Norway.
249 00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:11,300 We also spend a lot of money on Ukraine.
250 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:13,160 We spend a lot of money on refugees.
251 00:16:13,860 --> 00:16:18,180 So the money that actually go to poor people is somewhat restricted.
252 00:16:18,980 --> 00:16:22,600 And then within that, we end up doing a lot of different things.
253 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,560 And so I think Benjamin Dusser has his heart at the right place.
254 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,620 But I'm not sure he has quite managed to sort of get all of this back in order.
255 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:36,220 And again, this is why we're that's one of the reasons why we're having this conversation.
256 00:16:36,220 --> 00:16:38,220 We need to make it more politically palatable.
257 00:16:38,660 --> 00:16:45,220 To not say, I want to do everything, but to say, I just want to do a few things really, really well.
258 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:52,640 This problem with bad priorities and overreach, has it been gone to being better or worse during the time, during time?
259 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,220 So I think we've always had this problem.
260 00:16:55,380 --> 00:17:00,320 I mean, look, politicians and politics is not predominantly about doing good.
261 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,680 It's about getting reelected.
262 00:17:02,060 --> 00:17:06,400 And what gets you reelected is not necessarily what works really well.
263 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,640 That's true even in Sweden.
264 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:08,339 But it's.
265 00:17:08,660 --> 00:17:13,780 Obviously much more true when we talk about development aid, because there's no obvious feedback.
266 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:18,079 We don't know the people that CETA is helping because they're far, far away.
267 00:17:18,380 --> 00:17:27,480 So in a sense, we rely on stories from you and other journalists who tell us, oh, this was a really good thing because, you know, that now this person or that person lives.
268 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,920 Pretty much all the money that we spend will end up doing some good, which is great.
269 00:17:33,540 --> 00:17:38,360 I'm simply making the argument we should spend money where not only it'll do a little good, but it'll do an
270 00:17:38,660 --> 00:17:39,780 massive amount of good.
271 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,020 And that is a much harder argument.
272 00:17:42,260 --> 00:17:44,120 So I think we've always been bad at doing this.
273 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:48,600 And I think we constantly need someone like me to keep saying, let's do better.
274 00:17:49,340 --> 00:17:52,140 Can we always trust the cost benefit analysis?
275 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:59,440 I mean, the obvious objection would be that there are certain values that can't be measured in kronor or dollars.
276 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,720 Some humanitarian, as you know, the argument.
277 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,340 What do you think about that?
278 00:18:04,820 --> 00:18:08,400 So first of all, this is an imprecise science, obviously.
279 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,000 We don't know a lot of things.
280 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,380 We don't know exactly what will be used and how it will be used.
281 00:18:14,380 --> 00:18:27,160 So when I tell you that sanitation give you three dollars back in the dollar or three kronors back in the kronor or maternal and newborn health gives us 87 kronors back in the kronor.
282 00:18:27,460 --> 00:18:28,700 It's a rough estimate.
283 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:35,640 I would probably estimate it's right within a factor of two or something, but it's a pretty good estimate.
284 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,280 But the other part of the question that you had.
285 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,720 Are there things that are not in there?
286 00:18:39,860 --> 00:18:40,260 Absolutely.
287 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,740 So we take into account all the cost and all the benefits.
288 00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:46,860 So this is not just a financial analysis.
289 00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:50,120 This is also about social and environmental costs.
290 00:18:50,180 --> 00:18:52,880 So we we try to take in all these costs.
291 00:18:53,220 --> 00:18:56,360 But remember, this is not the only thing that humanity wants.
292 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,560 We also, for instance, want equality or we want, as you mentioned, human rights.
293 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,640 These are things that are not in the the cost benefit analysis.
294 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,380 So in a sense, if you will.
295 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:14,840 We are the guys who give society a menu, but a menu with prices and sizes.
296 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:20,080 We give you a sense of if you spend money here, you'll get this much good and it'll cost you this much.
297 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:23,800 But whether you want to do that is obviously a political question.
298 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:33,180 This is not economists saying that's how the world should be, but it's helping political politicians and voters to make better decisions.
299 00:19:33,180 --> 00:19:38,180 But again, you know, I would imagine that when we talk about equality, these policies.
300 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:44,160 Policies that we're advocating are typically policies that help the very weakest, the very poorest.
301 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:52,780 For instance, when we talk about tuberculosis, one of the reasons why tuberculosis has not been fixed is because it mostly hit very poor people.
302 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:58,660 So people in slum areas, people in prisons, people in migrant communities and mining, that kind of thing.
303 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,160 People who are outside a much of polite society.
304 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,820 And so they often don't vote and therefore they don't get any health care.
305 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:08,360 We can help.
306 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:08,380 We can help.
307 00:20:08,660 --> 00:20:09,180 Deal with that.
308 00:20:09,260 --> 00:20:12,280 But that's exactly helping with equality as well.
309 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:17,420 So it's very likely that much of this overlaps, just like when we talk about maternal and newborn health.
310 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:27,100 The moms who don't go to institutions, the moms whose kids die in their first 30 days are very likely not the richest, but the poorest of the people.
311 00:20:27,380 --> 00:20:32,260 So again, I think a lot of these overlap, but it's not a precise overlap.
312 00:20:32,500 --> 00:20:35,160 So yes, there are other things to look at.
313 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,320 But again, when you're confronted with a policy.
314 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,020 There's a policy that does three kronors back and one that does 87 kronors back.
315 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:51,800 There's a lot of leeway to make sure that you do the very best.
316 00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:54,340 What are your hopes for the future?
317 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,000 Are the politicians starting to get this?
318 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,240 Are they more down your alley now than, say, 10 years ago?
319 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:01,620 I think so.
320 00:21:01,620 --> 00:21:08,300 I mean, obviously, 10 years ago or 11 years ago, all the politicians decided we're going to promise everything to everybody.
321 00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:09,660 Which didn't work.
322 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,540 And we knew already back then it wouldn't work.
323 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,480 But I think a lot more people are realizing, oh, wait, this doesn't work.
324 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:22,880 You know, I think a lot of politicians were hoping if we promise the stars, everyone will want to give more development aid.
325 00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:25,320 But of course, that's exactly the opposite of what happened.
326 00:21:25,660 --> 00:21:27,460 We've been very stingy for quite a while.
327 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:35,640 And now with Trump, but also the UK, Germany, France, even Norway in some sense, and also Sweden, somewhat cutting.
328 00:21:36,260 --> 00:21:38,180 Often it's sort of below the surface.
329 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:43,220 We're realizing we have to do better because we have less and less resources.
330 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,480 We really have to do the most good we can with every corona.
331 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,180 So I think there's a lot more interest.
332 00:21:49,380 --> 00:21:52,560 Again, my hope is that we get better at doing this.
333 00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:56,180 I would love for us to just do the very most effective things.
334 00:21:56,180 --> 00:21:58,640 That'll never happen because that's not how politics work.
335 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:02,160 But if we can push people to spend smarter, that'd be great.
336 00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:07,880 Come 2030 and we get the result back and see that maybe just a fifth.
337 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,940 Or a fourth of the goals has been met.
338 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,860 What would be the effect of that, do you think?
339 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,080 Would we be, what would you say?
340 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,260 I forgot the word, but really sad about it.
341 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,300 Okay, should we be happy or sad?
342 00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:31,640 So I think one of the things I've been constantly arguing and I think there's a lot of good data for is the world is mostly a place that gets better and better.
343 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:37,640 We have a tendency, remember, when we read Svenska Dagbladet or any other news outlet in the world.
344 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:44,520 You guys are put in the world to basically give us a collection of all the worst things that happened in the last 24 hours.
345 00:22:44,540 --> 00:22:44,820 That's my job.
346 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,800 That's your job.
347 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,340 And so we get a sense that everything is coming apart.
348 00:22:49,540 --> 00:22:54,680 But we often forget the long-term trends show us things are getting better and better.
349 00:22:55,100 --> 00:23:00,520 We have lifted way over a billion people out of poverty in the last 25 years.
350 00:23:00,860 --> 00:23:07,800 Actually, every day, every 24 hours, Svenska Dagbladet and every other newspaper in the world could have.
351 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,760 It's a headline.
352 00:23:09,580 --> 00:23:14,120 138,000 people were lifted out of extreme poverty every day for 25 years.
353 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:17,480 We don't hear this, but we need to remember.
354 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,400 Overall, fewer people die, fewer kids die.
355 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,920 We have much better education.
356 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,220 We have much better opportunity in many different ways.
357 00:23:27,260 --> 00:23:29,720 And we've lifted, as I said, many people out of poverty.
358 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,080 So come 2030, mostly we'll be better off.
359 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,760 But the real depressing outcome is we could have been.
360 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,920 Even better off.
361 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,780 We could have had even fewer kids dying.
362 00:23:41,780 --> 00:23:45,540 We could have even fewer people in extreme poverty and so on.
363 00:23:45,740 --> 00:23:48,560 And so the real losses we could have done better.
364 00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:57,960 And of course, that means that by 2030, we should certainly make sure we don't make the same mistake and promise for 2045 that we're going to do all these things again.
365 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:01,680 But much more importantly, this is 2026.
366 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,800 We should do an incredible amount of good this year and next year, not wait till 2030.
367 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:08,640 Another question.
368 00:24:08,860 --> 00:24:12,640 Hasn't the progress slowed down a bit since about 2020?
369 00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:13,740 Yes.
370 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:15,060 And why is that?
371 00:24:15,380 --> 00:24:17,140 Well, a lot of reasons.
372 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:23,700 So much of the COVID problems hit the developing world a lot.
373 00:24:24,980 --> 00:24:27,160 We were very, very worried in the rich world.
374 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,840 And we could afford to be that.
375 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:37,240 So a lot of countries, not Sweden to its credit, but a lot of countries decided to shut down almost entirely.
376 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:46,080 In order to preserve and safeguard really old people, which is a conversation that has been ongoing without the right decision.
377 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,700 But at least in a very rich country where you have lots of old people, that makes some sense.
378 00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:59,260 But unfortunately, most of the poor countries in the world have very few old people and don't and can't afford to shut down.
379 00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:00,840 Yet they still shut down.
380 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,600 They also shut down their schools.
381 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,200 And that means that a lot of kids got behind.
382 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:07,580 We are the World Bank actually.
383 00:25:07,580 --> 00:25:15,500 They estimate this will cost more than $1.2 trillion per year come 2040 in the sense that school kids are going to be less well off.
384 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,280 They're going to be less well educated.
385 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:18,240 This is terrible.
386 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,320 And we need to go back and try to redo that.
387 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:28,480 And one of the things, of course, is as we talk about, there are some very smart ways to dramatically increase the efficiency of school.
388 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:30,320 We don't do that so much.
389 00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:35,980 It's about getting structured teacher plans and it's about getting kids taught at their right level.
390 00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:37,540 So each for individual level.
391 00:25:37,580 --> 00:25:42,420 You could do that, for instance, with a laptop, with educational software, sorry, a tablet with educational software.
392 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,400 These are very simple things.
393 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,160 We should go in and make sure we do much more of that.
394 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:51,560 That's one way of getting the world out of the rut, so to speak.
395 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,880 But look, we're not going to be able to manage all of it.
396 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,600 And certainly Sweden is not going to manage to do all of it.
397 00:25:56,860 --> 00:26:04,500 But if we start that conversation, so I'm actually here for the goalkeepers, Bill Gates, later today in Stockholm.
398 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,500 And one of the things he's pushing for is exactly some of this.
399 00:26:07,580 --> 00:26:09,120 These incredibly effective things.
400 00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:13,920 And so I would love us to do more on the really effective things.
401 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:20,740 And I think Sweden could be a land country leading that charge in the world.
402 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,300 We're not going to fix everything, but we are going to fix some of the most important things.
403 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,600 And back to my original question.
404 00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:28,800 Covid was a major setback.
405 00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:29,200 Yeah.
406 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:29,740 Okay.
407 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,200 You mentioned Bill Gates.
408 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,540 In November last year, the world leaders met in Brazil for yet another climate.
409 00:26:37,740 --> 00:26:40,720 That's a climate summit prior to this summit.
410 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,520 You wrote that word leaders ought to be listening more to Bill Gates.
411 00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:48,740 What was his message and why was he right?
412 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,120 So for a very long time, we've been very worried about climate change.
413 00:26:54,120 --> 00:27:03,720 So there's been this dominant sort of narrative that the world is ending unless we're going to do a lot against climate change.
414 00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:05,600 And that has never been true.
415 00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:07,240 Climate change is a real problem.
416 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,960 It's a man-made problem, but it's not the end of the world.
417 00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:15,340 It's a problem along with many, many other problems we need to fix in the 21st century.
418 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:30,600 And what Bill Gates said and what I thought was really incredibly clever way of putting it was we should not be talking in Belem and Brazil or any other climate summit or really any other policy at all about targets.
419 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,520 We shouldn't be talking about, oh, net zero by 2050 or one and a half degrees or two degrees.
420 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,880 We should be talking about.
421 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,020 What will be the impact on human welfare of all these policies?
422 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,420 Because what that tell you is what will be the actual outcome of all of these things?
423 00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:53,730 Vi på Danske Bank vet att företag har olika mål.
424 00:27:54,090 --> 00:28:01,190 I en värld som ständigt förändras hjälper vi ditt företag att navigera om världen från de minsta till de största.
425 00:28:01,630 --> 00:28:05,610 Vi ger företag finansiell rådgivning i Sverige och i resten av Norden.
426 00:28:05,610 --> 00:28:08,050 Vi är hela Nordens företagsbank.
427 00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:20,260 Och en av sakerna som har väckat klimatpolicyn för väldigt lång tid är att vi släpper upp väldigt kallt förmågor.
428 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:28,580 Förstå om alla rika länder gick net zero by 2050, vilket är vad nästan alla rika länder, förutom USA, vill göra.
429 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:36,700 Det här skulle kosta litteralt hundratals trillions av dollar över året, men det skulle inte ha någon effekt idag.
430 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:41,060 Det skulle ha en liten effekt vid 2050 och det skulle minska temperaturerna.
431 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,180 Kanske om du rör det här i USA.
432 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:42,340 Om du rör det här i USA, det skulle minska temperaturerna.
433 00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:49,380 Det skulle minsa temperaturerna.
434 00:28:49,380 --> 00:28:56,000 Spendning så mycket pengar nu på att hjälpa människor så lite i hundratals år är inte en väldigt bra deal.
435 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,020 Vi förändrar den allmänna betalten på det för varje krona du spenderar.
436 00:29:00,020 --> 00:29:04,160 Du gör ungefär 17 euro av bra, vilket är verkligen ett dåligt betalt.
437 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,980 Du hade bara skapat pengarna och det hade varit sju gånger bättre.
438 00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:11,480 Men poängen här är att om du börjar säga...
439 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,700 Well, how can we help people better?
440 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,400 How can we make human welfare better?
441 00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:17,520 If you think about a mom
442 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,380 A poor mom in a poor world
443 00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:21,360 Who has her kids
444 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,640 They might die from easily curable infectious diseases tonight
445 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,820 From malaria for instance
446 00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:27,300 They don't have enough food
447 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:28,580 They have terrible education
448 00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:30,060 There are all these kinds of issues
449 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:33,680 Her primary priority is not for you and me
450 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,000 To help reduce temperatures in a hundred years
451 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,320 By 0.1 degree
452 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,280 That's not her primary priority
453 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,140 It is obviously to fix malaria
454 00:29:42,140 --> 00:29:43,160 Fix tuberculosis
455 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,560 Fix nutrition
456 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,020 Fix education
457 00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:47,700 These are the very simple things
458 00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:48,340 And remember
459 00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:49,800 If we do that
460 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,580 If we get people out of disease
461 00:29:52,580 --> 00:29:53,440 Out of hunger
462 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,860 Into good education
463 00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:56,780 Out of poverty
464 00:29:56,780 --> 00:30:00,320 Not only will those be good things in and of themselves
465 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,600 It will also mean
466 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,400 They will be much more resilient
467 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,560 To anything climate will throw at them
468 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,880 So again, what Bill was really saying is
469 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,940 If you stop doing
470 00:30:09,940 --> 00:30:12,180 Thinking this is the end of the world
471 00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:13,380 But start realizing
472 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:14,280 Yeah, it's a problem
473 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,680 Along with many other problems
474 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,100 What we're doing on climate
475 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:20,220 Will do comparatively little
476 00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:22,780 Compared to all the other things we could do
477 00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:24,420 That would help much more now
478 00:30:24,420 --> 00:30:27,120 And of course also help much more in the future
479 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,760 Because if you take this mom's kids out of poverty and disease
480 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,460 They will grow up
481 00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:34,460 Get their own kids
482 00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:35,860 And be much better off
483 00:30:35,860 --> 00:30:37,820 And be much better able to make sure
484 00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:39,880 That their kids get even better off
485 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,280 So by 2100
486 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,640 They will live in a much better world
487 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,220 And that, I think
488 00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:46,800 Is one of the big teachings
489 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,800 That we need to take away
490 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,260 We need to stop being so preoccupied with climate
491 00:30:51,260 --> 00:30:53,800 That we forget about all the other problems in the world
492 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,900 This does not mean
493 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:56,560 I mean, we're a smart civilization
494 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,100 We can walk and chew gum
495 00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,620 We can do several things at once
496 00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:02,120 But we should spend less money
497 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,620 More smartly on climate
498 00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:05,200 And we should spend the money
499 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,280 That we want to help the poor world
500 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,600 Much more smartly
501 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,860 So we actually end up helping
502 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,680 Them a lot
503 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,020 And the same question again
504 00:31:13,020 --> 00:31:15,160 The politicians that met in Brazil
505 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,840 And will meet this year as well
506 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,060 Have they started listening to Bill Gates
507 00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:20,620 And to you?
508 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,180 Well, first of all
509 00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:23,900 The people who are going to meet
510 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:25,540 Who met in Belém
511 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:27,540 And are going to meet in, I think, Turkey
512 00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:28,740 I can't quite figure out
513 00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:29,680 Because there are two countries
514 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,660 That wanted to run this
515 00:31:30,660 --> 00:31:31,480 But yeah
516 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,260 They are going to meet in another nice place
517 00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:34,780 In a little year
518 00:31:34,780 --> 00:31:38,140 They are obviously all climate people
519 00:31:38,140 --> 00:31:38,760 So, you know
520 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,380 Which means
521 00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:39,800 Well
522 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,560 If you ask a climate person
523 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,440 What's the biggest problem
524 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,700 They'll obviously say climate
525 00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:44,860 If you ask a health person
526 00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:45,800 What's the biggest problem
527 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,300 They'll obviously say health
528 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:49,900 It's our job as voters
529 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:51,900 And it's the politicians' job
530 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:52,660 As politicians
531 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:53,440 To say
532 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,900 Okay, but I get that
533 00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:56,660 All of you want the money for yourself
534 00:31:56,660 --> 00:31:58,600 But we have to make the hard calls
535 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,720 Of saying where do our money go to
536 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,400 So if you want to fix climate change
537 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,200 What you need to understand is
538 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,660 This is not about virtue signaling
539 00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:08,920 In the rich world
540 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,680 What you need to understand is
541 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,120 Whatever the rich world does
542 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,440 Is a tiny bit
543 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,460 In the 21st century emissions
544 00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:16,180 We're going to be about 13%
545 00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:17,060 Realistically
546 00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:20,160 We can cut about 5 of those percent
547 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,460 By 2050
548 00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:23,700 So we can do nothing
549 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:25,280 What really matters is
550 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,680 Can we get China, India, Africa, Brazil
551 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,700 Indonesia on board
552 00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:32,460 And we can't
553 00:32:32,460 --> 00:32:34,300 Unless we make green energy
554 00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:35,480 Cheaper than fossil fuels
555 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,460 So what we really need to do
556 00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:39,240 Is to focus on innovation
557 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:39,660 And we need to focus on
558 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,720 Green energy
559 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,900 And just to give you one example
560 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:43,960 If we could make
561 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,100 Fourth generation nuclear
562 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:45,880 Or fusion
563 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,360 If we could make fusion work
564 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,360 If we could make it cheaper
565 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,160 Than fossil fuels
566 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,900 Everyone would switch
567 00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:54,700 You wouldn't have to have a conversation
568 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:56,140 You wouldn't have to meet
569 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:57,520 At all these UN summits
570 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,360 Because the economics
571 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,380 Would have made it cheaper
572 00:33:00,380 --> 00:33:02,840 That's the way you solve big problems
573 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,620 Through innovation
574 00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:05,860 And we have spent much, much less
575 00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:07,600 On innovation than what we promised
576 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,220 We've actually stayed pretty much
577 00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:10,060 At the same level
578 00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:11,160 For the last 20 years
579 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,320 We've gone down dramatically
580 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,400 Since the 1980s
581 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,660 Because we've been so focused
582 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:17,480 On doing virtue signaling
583 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,620 So Swedish, Danish
584 00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:21,300 Pretty much all well-meaning
585 00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:22,700 Rich world people
586 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:24,740 Will have put up lots of wind turbines
587 00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:25,640 And solar panels
588 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,520 And say, see
589 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,700 Rather than investing in green energy R&D
590 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:31,320 Which is the way that you're actually
591 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,380 Going to get this solved
592 00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:34,520 That's quite surprising
593 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,980 Because I thought that green innovation
594 00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:38,340 Got all the funding
595 00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:39,220 In the first place
596 00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:39,520 It needed
597 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,660 But the numbers says otherwise
598 00:33:41,660 --> 00:33:43,620 So what you have to remember
599 00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:44,620 Is we spend a lot of money
600 00:33:44,620 --> 00:33:46,360 On stuff we know doesn't work
601 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,020 So the stuff that we actually
602 00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:49,300 Have to have subsidies
603 00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:50,860 And have special regulations
604 00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:52,340 So we spend a lot of money
605 00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:53,840 On existing wind turbines
606 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,500 And existing solar panels
607 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:56,980 But the reality is
608 00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:58,680 We need to get much better
609 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,580 That is, much cheaper
610 00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:02,080 Solar panels and wind turbines
611 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,240 But also lots and lots of batteries
612 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:04,880 We're not there
613 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,200 Anywhere close to there
614 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,420 We need to spend a lot more
615 00:34:08,420 --> 00:34:09,060 On wind turbines
616 00:34:09,219 --> 00:34:11,080 On fourth generation nuclear
617 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,340 On fusion
618 00:34:12,340 --> 00:34:13,780 And all these other technologies
619 00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:15,340 That potentially could come through
620 00:34:15,340 --> 00:34:16,760 But the point is
621 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,600 Research and development
622 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,139 Is incredibly cheap
623 00:34:20,139 --> 00:34:21,580 And that's why we can spend it
624 00:34:21,580 --> 00:34:23,280 On pretty much all of these things
625 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,580 And we just have to have
626 00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:26,139 One or a few of these technologies
627 00:34:26,139 --> 00:34:26,699 Come through
628 00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:27,659 And those are the ones
629 00:34:27,659 --> 00:34:29,159 That will power the 21st century
630 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,719 So if you look at how much we've spent
631 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,159 In percent of GDP
632 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,040 It's been
633 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,120 It was about
634 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,040 Eight cents
635 00:34:39,219 --> 00:34:40,860 Per hundred dollars
636 00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:42,760 In the 1980s
637 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,060 And since then
638 00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:44,900 It's been about
639 00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:46,179 Three to four cents
640 00:34:46,179 --> 00:34:47,239 So it's halved
641 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,739 Not increased
642 00:34:48,739 --> 00:34:50,239 And in 2015
643 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,699 At the Paris summit
644 00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:53,120 There was another summit
645 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,199 Where Obama and Xi Jinping
646 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,580 And the EU
647 00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:59,880 And many other people
648 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:00,400 Of goodwill
649 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,220 Actually said
650 00:35:01,220 --> 00:35:02,460 We had a tiny bit
651 00:35:02,460 --> 00:35:04,780 Of influence in this
652 00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:05,420 It was called
653 00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:06,260 The Breakthrough Initiative
654 00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:07,680 Where they actually promised
655 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,740 To double spending
656 00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:10,160 In green energy R&D
657 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,040 And we didn't know
658 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:11,540 Such thing
659 00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:12,400 Again
660 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,120 Because everybody focuses
661 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,000 On building a new wind turbine farm
662 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,700 Rather than spending more
663 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:18,400 On R&D
664 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,240 Because the first thing
665 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,420 You can get on the news for
666 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:22,620 And you can go
667 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:23,400 And cut a ribbon
668 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,280 And it looks like
669 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,200 You're really doing something
670 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,120 Whereas the other one
671 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:26,920 That's just funding
672 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:27,600 Scientists
673 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,240 To do their thing
674 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:30,520 And maybe it won't work
675 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,820 Before in 20 years
676 00:35:31,820 --> 00:35:33,280 But we know
677 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,460 It's the only way
678 00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:35,700 They'll actually fix
679 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:36,420 Climate change
680 00:35:36,420 --> 00:35:38,700 And the larger R&D
681 00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:40,240 Investments in the 1980s
682 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:41,520 Has they paid off?
683 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,740 So the reason
684 00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:45,200 Why we did it in the 1980s
685 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,240 Was because of the second
686 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,060 Oil crisis
687 00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:48,380 And everybody wanted
688 00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:49,600 To find something else
689 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,180 Than oil
690 00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:52,080 One way you can say
691 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,260 It paid off
692 00:35:53,260 --> 00:35:53,960 But this is
693 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,600 Somewhat far down the line
694 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,800 Was in the fracking revolution
695 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,480 In the US
696 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,740 In the early 2000s
697 00:35:59,740 --> 00:36:00,820 And remember
698 00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:01,880 What fracking did
699 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,320 For the world
700 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,040 Was essentially
701 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,660 A lot of people
702 00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:04,620 Have very negative
703 00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:06,460 Images of fracking
704 00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:07,620 And there are
705 00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:08,680 Real environmental problems
706 00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:09,520 With fracking
707 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:10,620 But fundamentally
708 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:11,580 Fracking meant
709 00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:12,900 You can make gas
710 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:13,580 Much cheaper
711 00:36:13,580 --> 00:36:14,440 And that meant
712 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,200 That the US
713 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,680 Switched massively
714 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:17,540 From coal
715 00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:18,260 To gas
716 00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:19,580 That by far
717 00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:20,020 Has been
718 00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:21,380 The most important thing
719 00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:22,720 For reducing CO2
720 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:23,680 Because gas
721 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,860 Emits about half as much
722 00:36:24,860 --> 00:36:25,820 CO2
723 00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:26,700 As does coal
724 00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:28,760 Per unit of energy
725 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,500 So it was really
726 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:31,300 One of those things
727 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:31,900 Where you got
728 00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:32,560 Cheaper
729 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,220 And greener energy
730 00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:35,060 Through innovation
731 00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:36,260 It was not the intention
732 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:36,780 Back then
733 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:37,660 They wanted to find
734 00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:38,520 A different opportunity
735 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:38,600 For energy
736 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,080 For oil
737 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,220 And they wanted
738 00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:40,840 To get rid of
739 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,980 The dependency
740 00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:43,040 On Saudi Arabia
741 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,060 And the US
742 00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:44,940 Clearly did that
743 00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:46,300 Europe should have
744 00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:46,940 Done the same thing
745 00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:47,780 We should have made sure
746 00:36:47,780 --> 00:36:49,020 China did the same thing
747 00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:49,880 That would have
748 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,060 Dramatically reduced
749 00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:51,500 Emission
750 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:52,540 Now this is not
751 00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:53,200 The full solution
752 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:53,880 Because obviously
753 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,660 Natural gas
754 00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:56,920 Is still a fossil fuel
755 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,940 And it still emits CO2
756 00:36:57,940 --> 00:36:58,940 Only much less
757 00:36:58,940 --> 00:36:59,760 But it would have
758 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,700 Been a great bridge fuel
759 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:03,240 To a greener future
760 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:04,300 And most of the world
761 00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:05,640 Unfortunately didn't do that
762 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,760 You mentioned earlier
763 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,420 That climate change
764 00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:09,780 Is one of the problem
765 00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:10,820 Humanity is facing
766 00:37:10,820 --> 00:37:12,040 Many would say
767 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,140 That it's the problem
768 00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:13,940 The greatest problem
769 00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:16,360 What if
770 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,700 The mean temperature
771 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:18,660 Would rise
772 00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:19,480 Not two degrees
773 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,240 But maybe four
774 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:20,940 Or five degrees
775 00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:21,760 Wouldn't that be
776 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,600 A disaster for humanity?
777 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:25,620 It would be a bigger
778 00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:28,360 It would be a bigger challenge
779 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,880 Would it be manageable
780 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,360 For us?
781 00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:33,180 I think so
782 00:37:33,180 --> 00:37:34,180 Certainly that's what
783 00:37:34,180 --> 00:37:36,060 The climate economics
784 00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:36,420 Tell us
785 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:37,160 But it would definitely
786 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,060 Be a bigger problem
787 00:37:38,060 --> 00:37:38,400 And it would be
788 00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:38,800 A bigger problem
789 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,100 All studies show
790 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:41,200 That we're going to reach
791 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,140 By the end of the century
792 00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:43,160 About three degrees
793 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:43,900 And so I think
794 00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:45,240 It's realistic to say
795 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:46,560 Well what is the impact
796 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,200 Of three degrees?
797 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,220 Well this is what
798 00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:49,960 Climate economics
799 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,260 Has been working on
800 00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:52,520 For a very long time
801 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,060 For decades
802 00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:56,120 And what they find
803 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:56,900 Is if you look at
804 00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:57,760 All the costs
805 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,820 And all the benefits
806 00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:00,520 Remember when you have
807 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,020 Global warming
808 00:38:01,020 --> 00:38:02,260 You get more heat waves
809 00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:02,860 But you also get
810 00:38:02,860 --> 00:38:03,900 Fewer cold waves
811 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:04,920 That means you get
812 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:05,960 More people dying from heat
813 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,660 But fewer people
814 00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:07,260 Dying from cold
815 00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:08,020 You need to include
816 00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:08,880 All of these things
817 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,560 If you include all of them
818 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,100 There's more
819 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:12,220 Disbenefits
820 00:38:12,220 --> 00:38:13,340 And benefits
821 00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:14,480 That's why it's a problem
822 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,400 But what it turns out is
823 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,740 The net cost
824 00:38:17,740 --> 00:38:18,780 Is equivalent
825 00:38:18,780 --> 00:38:19,620 To losing
826 00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:20,220 Somewhere between
827 00:38:20,220 --> 00:38:21,180 Two and three percent
828 00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:21,620 Of GDP
829 00:38:21,620 --> 00:38:22,720 By the end of the century
830 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,160 This is the estimate
831 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:24,980 Of the only
832 00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:25,840 Climate economist
833 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,860 To win the Nobel Prize
834 00:38:26,860 --> 00:38:27,680 William Nordhaus
835 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,940 And another
836 00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:29,560 One of the most
837 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,980 Quoted climate economists
838 00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:31,520 In the world
839 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,400 Richard Tull
840 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,780 Two meta studies
841 00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:34,340 That try to
842 00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:35,260 Take into account
843 00:38:35,260 --> 00:38:36,300 All of the studies
844 00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:36,860 Remember
845 00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:37,780 You very often
846 00:38:37,780 --> 00:38:38,940 Hear the worst
847 00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:39,460 Studies
848 00:38:39,460 --> 00:38:40,820 Because it's a little bit like
849 00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:42,680 Is egg dangerous for you
850 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,020 Or not
851 00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:44,160 Is coffee dangerous for you
852 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,280 You don't hear the studies
853 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:45,860 That don't say
854 00:38:45,860 --> 00:38:46,560 There's dangers
855 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,300 You hear the studies
856 00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:48,460 That say they are dangerous
857 00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:49,120 And so you hear
858 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,400 The very extreme
859 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,120 Scenarios
860 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,040 But if you actually
861 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:52,940 Take the meta study
862 00:38:52,940 --> 00:38:54,400 And take all of the studies
863 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,460 And that's what they've done
864 00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:56,540 You come up with
865 00:38:56,540 --> 00:38:57,440 Two to three percent
866 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,400 Just to give you
867 00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,200 A sense of proportion
868 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,600 The UN estimate
869 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,780 That by the end of the century
870 00:39:01,780 --> 00:39:02,620 The average person
871 00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:03,020 In the world
872 00:39:03,020 --> 00:39:03,860 Would be about
873 00:39:03,860 --> 00:39:05,000 Four hundred and fifty percent
874 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:05,500 As rich
875 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:06,500 As he or she is
876 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:06,900 Today
877 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:07,260 So
878 00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:08,820 It's a much much better world
879 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:11,040 Because of climate change
880 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,440 It's going to feel like
881 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,000 He or she
882 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,160 Is only
883 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,140 Four hundred
884 00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:16,360 And thirty five percent
885 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:16,820 As rich
886 00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:18,240 Now that's a problem
887 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,620 It's obviously a problem
888 00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:20,500 That we didn't get
889 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:21,260 To four hundred and fifty
890 00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:21,880 But it's not
891 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,580 The end of the world
892 00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:23,600 It's a slightly
893 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,840 Less
894 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,480 Much better world
895 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,640 And that's why
896 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,000 I'm saying
897 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,100 And that's why
898 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:29,800 The science
899 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,540 The climate science
900 00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:30,880 Sorry
901 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:31,980 Climate economic science
902 00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:32,980 Shows very clearly
903 00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:34,620 Climate change is a problem
904 00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:35,580 But it's not by
905 00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:36,280 Any means
906 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:36,920 The end of the world
907 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,760 And that's
908 00:39:37,780 --> 00:39:38,580 Incredibly important
909 00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:39,220 Because obviously
910 00:39:39,220 --> 00:39:40,200 If climate
911 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,120 Was the only problem
912 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:42,500 In the world
913 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:43,560 Then we should be spending
914 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:44,060 Oh sorry
915 00:39:44,060 --> 00:39:45,040 Was the main problem
916 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:45,940 That's going to kill us all
917 00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:46,660 Then obviously
918 00:39:46,660 --> 00:39:47,240 You should spend
919 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:48,280 All of our money
920 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:48,720 On that
921 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:49,360 And you should just
922 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,140 Forget about poverty
923 00:39:50,140 --> 00:39:50,900 And all the other things
924 00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:52,600 But that's just not
925 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,800 What the numbers tell us
926 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,320 But can't you make the argument
927 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:55,940 And I know
928 00:39:55,940 --> 00:39:56,840 Some people do
929 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,720 That the uncertainty
930 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:00,140 Of climate change
931 00:40:00,140 --> 00:40:01,340 Are so big
932 00:40:01,340 --> 00:40:01,900 And the risk
933 00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:02,360 Are so big
934 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,680 So it may cost
935 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,180 A lot of money
936 00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:05,960 But it's a cheap insurance
937 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,720 For future generations
938 00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:08,740 What do you think about
939 00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:08,940 Well
940 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:09,500 I mean
941 00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:10,740 There are certainly
942 00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:11,260 A lot of people
943 00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:12,020 Who make that argument
944 00:40:12,020 --> 00:40:12,980 There's several things
945 00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:13,820 Wrong with that argument
946 00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:14,660 First of all
947 00:40:14,660 --> 00:40:16,480 If you want to buy
948 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,240 Real insurance
949 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,700 For the vast majority
950 00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:20,520 Of humanity
951 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,280 It's about
952 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,440 Getting them out of poverty
953 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,180 Not only is that great
954 00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:25,580 For all the other things
955 00:40:25,580 --> 00:40:26,460 That we worry about
956 00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:27,040 Like disease
957 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:27,540 And hunger
958 00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:28,240 And all these things
959 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,480 But it also means
960 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,440 That they are much
961 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:31,440 Much less
962 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,740 Vulnerable
963 00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:34,400 To climate disasters
964 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,000 If a hurricane
965 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:36,700 Hits Florida
966 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:37,700 A few people die
967 00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:38,220 And that's it
968 00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:39,640 If the same hurricane
969 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:40,440 Hits Guatemala
970 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,880 It devastates
971 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:42,440 Their economy
972 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,400 And thousands
973 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,500 Or even tens of thousands
974 00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:45,240 Of people die
975 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,320 So the answer here
976 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,320 Is not to try
977 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,720 To make hurricanes
978 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:51,640 Slightly less worse
979 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,660 By the end of the century
980 00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:53,440 The answer of course
981 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,000 Is to get
982 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,960 Guatemalans
983 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,040 Out of poverty first
984 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:56,980 Now again
985 00:40:56,980 --> 00:40:58,160 I sympathize
986 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,140 With the idea of saying
987 00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:00,220 But we should also
988 00:41:00,220 --> 00:41:01,080 Make sure we do
989 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,760 Something good
990 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:02,480 For climate
991 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,360 So there's two problems
992 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:04,700 With this
993 00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:05,540 First of all
994 00:41:05,540 --> 00:41:06,620 So far
995 00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:07,540 For the last 30 years
996 00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:08,620 Pretty much
997 00:41:08,620 --> 00:41:09,500 All that we've gotten
998 00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:10,480 From climate policy
999 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,940 Is rich countries
1000 00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:12,520 Virtually
1001 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,840 A little bit
1002 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,660 We haven't cut
1003 00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:15,160 Very much
1004 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,380 I mean
1005 00:41:15,380 --> 00:41:16,140 We've still seen
1006 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:17,500 The biggest
1007 00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:18,500 Sorry
1008 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:19,100 The biggest
1009 00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:20,560 Amount of emissions
1010 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,340 From fossil fuels
1011 00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:22,760 In the world
1012 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,980 Was last year
1013 00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:25,360 It keeps going up
1014 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,120 And the reality is
1015 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,020 That even though
1016 00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:29,260 We talk a lot about it
1017 00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:30,140 Most people
1018 00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:31,060 Not surprisingly
1019 00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:32,020 Because we would do
1020 00:41:32,020 --> 00:41:32,960 Exactly the same thing
1021 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,720 As we were poor
1022 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:34,480 Decide
1023 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,860 They'd rather not be poor
1024 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:36,960 Than cutting
1025 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:37,540 Their carbon
1026 00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:37,980 Emissions
1027 00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:39,400 So we have been
1028 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,260 Focusing on the wrong ways
1029 00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:42,280 To fix climate change
1030 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:42,860 And I think
1031 00:41:42,860 --> 00:41:43,740 It's very likely
1032 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:45,060 That if we keep on
1033 00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:45,500 Doing these
1034 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:46,940 Poor policies
1035 00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:47,960 We're going to see
1036 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,120 More people voting
1037 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,540 For the likes
1038 00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:51,280 Of Donald Trump
1039 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,880 I don't agree
1040 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,120 With a lot of the things
1041 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:54,740 That Donald Trump
1042 00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:55,180 Has done
1043 00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:55,920 But I think
1044 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,940 We're seeing that also
1045 00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:57,780 In a lot of Europe
1046 00:41:57,780 --> 00:42:00,040 Right wing populist
1047 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,520 Parties
1048 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,360 That are essentially
1049 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,200 Saying enough
1050 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:02,960 We don't want to pay
1051 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:03,340 For this
1052 00:42:03,340 --> 00:42:04,180 And remember
1053 00:42:04,180 --> 00:42:05,320 These current
1054 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,120 Climate policies
1055 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,320 Have to be endured
1056 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,080 For decades on end
1057 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:09,700 And most
1058 00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:10,700 Most likely
1059 00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:11,460 Most of them
1060 00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:12,540 Will be scrapped
1061 00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:13,900 At one point or another
1062 00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:14,760 So
1063 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,480 Instead
1064 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,040 We need to spend less
1065 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,540 But spend much smarter
1066 00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:19,740 And dramatically increase
1067 00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:20,340 Research
1068 00:42:20,340 --> 00:42:22,120 And green energy R&D
1069 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,160 Which would be
1070 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:23,860 Much cheaper
1071 00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:24,660 Much more effective
1072 00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:26,020 And also leave money
1073 00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:27,440 For all the other problems
1074 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,400 That we should be fixing
1075 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,420 Right
1076 00:42:29,420 --> 00:42:31,240 Emissions is going up
1077 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:31,780 That is true
1078 00:42:31,780 --> 00:42:32,420 But it's
1079 00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:33,560 In money countries
1080 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,540 They are going down
1081 00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:35,480 Or they are not going up
1082 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,080 And still
1083 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,120 We are getting more people
1084 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,020 And we are getting richer
1085 00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:39,680 So per capita
1086 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,140 Emissions are falling
1087 00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:41,780 In some countries
1088 00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:43,180 Isn't that a little bit good?
1089 00:42:43,820 --> 00:42:44,260 Absolutely
1090 00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:44,660 I mean
1091 00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:45,720 I'd rather live in a world
1092 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:46,720 Where we cut emissions
1093 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:47,640 Than where we don't
1094 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,360 But there are real trade-offs
1095 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,440 And that's what we've spent
1096 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:50,920 The last
1097 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,540 I don't know
1098 00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:52,120 Half hour
1099 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,100 Three quarters of an hour
1100 00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:53,580 Talking about
1101 00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:55,300 Because we can't do it all
1102 00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:56,680 So we can decide
1103 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,420 We're going to spend
1104 00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:59,000 A significant part of our wealth
1105 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,300 On cutting emissions
1106 00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:00,840 Now
1107 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,060 In a rich country
1108 00:43:02,060 --> 00:43:02,580 Like Sweden
1109 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:03,920 You can decide to do that
1110 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:04,980 And you can get away with it
1111 00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:06,000 And you can do this
1112 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,100 For a fairly long time
1113 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,160 But
1114 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,240 There are also powers
1115 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:09,900 That eventually
1116 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:10,560 You know
1117 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,240 Turn up and say
1118 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,940 Especially when this hurts
1119 00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:13,900 A lot of poor people
1120 00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:14,600 Because it will
1121 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,200 Poor people in rich countries
1122 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,200 So poor people in Sweden
1123 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,180 Who feel
1124 00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:18,980 The struggle
1125 00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:20,080 From having to pay
1126 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,500 An expensive energy bill
1127 00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:22,820 Who can't fill their
1128 00:43:22,820 --> 00:43:23,740 Gas tank
1129 00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:24,120 So on
1130 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,700 Those are real issues
1131 00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:26,300 And eventually
1132 00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:27,040 That will turn up
1133 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:27,400 In the
1134 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,780 At the
1135 00:43:28,780 --> 00:43:29,780 Ballot box
1136 00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:30,700 But
1137 00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:31,800 This is much
1138 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:32,640 Much more important
1139 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,180 To realize
1140 00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:34,500 You can't make
1141 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:35,480 India
1142 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,720 Or Africa
1143 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:37,100 Or India
1144 00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:37,680 Or Indonesia
1145 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,080 Decide to say this
1146 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:39,600 I mean
1147 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,360 It was somewhat
1148 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,100 Underreported
1149 00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:42,660 But I don't know
1150 00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:43,180 If you noticed
1151 00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:45,120 During the
1152 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,680 Brazil
1153 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,020 Leadership
1154 00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:48,000 Of the latest
1155 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,020 Climate conference
1156 00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:50,780 Lula also
1157 00:43:50,780 --> 00:43:51,260 Announced
1158 00:43:51,260 --> 00:43:51,740 That they were
1159 00:43:51,740 --> 00:43:52,300 Going to drill
1160 00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:52,880 A lot more
1161 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,140 Off the coast
1162 00:43:54,140 --> 00:43:55,380 Of the Amazon forest
1163 00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:56,500 And you know
1164 00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:57,180 They were sort of
1165 00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:57,760 Challenging him
1166 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,020 And saying
1167 00:43:58,020 --> 00:43:59,660 Mr. President
1168 00:43:59,660 --> 00:44:01,020 You're head
1169 00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:02,900 Of the climate
1170 00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:04,240 Conference
1171 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:04,760 And you want
1172 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,500 Everyone to cut
1173 00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:06,000 And he was like
1174 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:06,540 Yeah
1175 00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:07,080 But we're not
1176 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:07,760 A poor country
1177 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,400 And we also
1178 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,040 Want to have
1179 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,720 More opportunity
1180 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:10,500 We want to get
1181 00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:11,140 A lot more people
1182 00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:11,660 Out of poverty
1183 00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:12,480 And that's just
1184 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,240 How it has to be
1185 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:14,200 And that's of course
1186 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:14,800 Obvious
1187 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,100 I mean
1188 00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:16,200 We've recognized
1189 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:16,760 This because
1190 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,460 If you and I
1191 00:44:17,460 --> 00:44:17,880 Live there
1192 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,200 Especially if we
1193 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:19,740 Were poor
1194 00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:20,980 We would want
1195 00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:22,080 Our president
1196 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,200 To do the same thing
1197 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,920 Most of
1198 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,720 Climate politics
1199 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:26,460 Are ineffective
1200 00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:27,340 And bad
1201 00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:28,080 Are there examples
1202 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,200 Of good policies
1203 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,220 That we should do
1204 00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:30,740 More of
1205 00:44:30,740 --> 00:44:33,040 So unfortunately
1206 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,940 There has not
1207 00:44:33,940 --> 00:44:34,620 Been very many
1208 00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:35,140 I mean there was
1209 00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:35,740 A big study
1210 00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:36,960 A couple years ago
1211 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:37,720 That looked at
1212 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:39,280 4000 climate
1213 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:39,860 Policies
1214 00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:41,040 And only
1215 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,100 0.67%
1216 00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:43,760 So less than
1217 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,600 1% of them
1218 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:45,660 Had measurable
1219 00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:46,260 Impact
1220 00:44:46,260 --> 00:44:47,920 So what that
1221 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,520 Tells you is
1222 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,100 No
1223 00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:49,820 Most of them
1224 00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:50,360 Have just been
1225 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,300 Really really
1226 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:51,880 Bad
1227 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,620 This doesn't
1228 00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:54,040 Mean
1229 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:54,700 That
1230 00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:56,160 So I
1231 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,500 I think
1232 00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:58,320 Some of these
1233 00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:58,980 Things that we
1234 00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:00,300 Do for other
1235 00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:00,660 Reasons
1236 00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:01,600 So for air
1237 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,380 Pollution reasons
1238 00:45:02,380 --> 00:45:02,920 For instance
1239 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:03,980 Getting rid of coal
1240 00:45:03,980 --> 00:45:04,820 Is a great idea
1241 00:45:04,820 --> 00:45:05,380 In much of the
1242 00:45:05,380 --> 00:45:05,740 Rich world
1243 00:45:05,740 --> 00:45:06,580 Not mainly
1244 00:45:06,580 --> 00:45:06,940 Because of
1245 00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:07,600 Climate change
1246 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,040 But because
1247 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,600 They pollute
1248 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:08,940 A lot
1249 00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:09,740 And because
1250 00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:10,340 We're rich
1251 00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:11,300 That is actually
1252 00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:12,160 A really bad idea
1253 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:12,780 Because they
1254 00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:13,400 Kill people
1255 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:14,360 From air
1256 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:14,800 Pollution
1257 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,920 There's also
1258 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,480 The argument
1259 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,340 Of getting
1260 00:45:17,340 --> 00:45:19,460 More energy
1261 00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:20,060 Efficiency
1262 00:45:20,060 --> 00:45:21,040 It's been good
1263 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:21,760 For many countries
1264 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,660 Who didn't go
1265 00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:23,880 On the fracking
1266 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,400 Revolution
1267 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,060 So are
1268 00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:25,920 Dependent on
1269 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,680 Having to import
1270 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,180 A lot of
1271 00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:27,840 Fossil fuels
1272 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,660 It's good
1273 00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:29,760 All things equal
1274 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,720 That you don't
1275 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:31,300 Have to import
1276 00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:31,740 As much
1277 00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:32,620 Fossil fuels
1278 00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:33,280 So that you
1279 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,800 Save on energy
1280 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,300 But unfortunately
1281 00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:36,660 No
1282 00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:37,300 Many of these
1283 00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:37,940 Policies have
1284 00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:38,380 Just been
1285 00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:40,240 Just breaking
1286 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:40,620 Even
1287 00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:41,480 Or worse
1288 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:41,900 Than that
1289 00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:43,140 The plans
1290 00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:44,260 For emission
1291 00:45:44,260 --> 00:45:45,140 Trading system
1292 00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:46,040 In the EU
1293 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:46,960 Is that a good idea
1294 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:47,920 So it's
1295 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,700 Certainly a better
1296 00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:49,420 Idea than
1297 00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:50,180 Most of these
1298 00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:50,560 Other
1299 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,600 Tentancies
1300 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,300 That we want
1301 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:53,500 To give
1302 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:54,220 Subsidies
1303 00:45:54,220 --> 00:45:55,060 Or that we
1304 00:45:55,060 --> 00:45:55,700 Want to just
1305 00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:56,600 Determine
1306 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,280 How to do
1307 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:57,760 This because
1308 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:58,160 If you do
1309 00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:58,540 It through
1310 00:45:58,540 --> 00:45:59,900 A trading
1311 00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:00,240 System
1312 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:00,760 Or a carbon
1313 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,080 Tax
1314 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:01,480 Which is
1315 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,320 Essentially
1316 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,480 The equivalent
1317 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,220 You get
1318 00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:04,460 A more
1319 00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:04,880 Efficient
1320 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,500 Allocation
1321 00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:05,960 So any
1322 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,420 Economist
1323 00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:06,760 Would say
1324 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:07,140 This is
1325 00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:08,020 An improvement
1326 00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:09,140 But again
1327 00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:10,060 When you're
1328 00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:10,720 Going to say
1329 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:11,620 By 2040
1330 00:46:11,620 --> 00:46:12,140 We want
1331 00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:12,600 To cut
1332 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:13,740 90%
1333 00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:14,080 Of our
1334 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:14,480 Emissions
1335 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,800 That's just
1336 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,580 Ludicrous
1337 00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:16,920 It's not
1338 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:17,160 Going to
1339 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:17,880 Happen
1340 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,060 At current
1341 00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:19,600 Technology
1342 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:19,860 I mean
1343 00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:20,280 It may
1344 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:20,660 Be that
1345 00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:21,080 We find
1346 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:21,640 Technologies
1347 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,100 That are so
1348 00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:22,400 Efficient
1349 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:22,740 That we
1350 00:46:22,740 --> 00:46:23,600 Can achieve
1351 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:23,840 This
1352 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,540 But otherwise
1353 00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:24,920 You're just
1354 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,340 Going to get
1355 00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:26,400 Wholesale
1356 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,080 Voter
1357 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,720 Outrage
1358 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:28,120 And you're
1359 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:28,260 Going to
1360 00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:28,740 Get these
1361 00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:29,300 Policies
1362 00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:29,600 Thrown
1363 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:29,800 Out
1364 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,320 That's
1365 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:30,760 Part of
1366 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,060 The reason
1367 00:46:31,060 --> 00:46:31,320 Why I'm
1368 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:31,520 Saying
1369 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,680 We can
1370 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,000 Promise
1371 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:33,340 All these
1372 00:46:33,340 --> 00:46:33,840 Nice things
1373 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,340 But once
1374 00:46:34,340 --> 00:46:34,800 It starts
1375 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,080 Getting
1376 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:35,460 Really
1377 00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:36,160 Expensive
1378 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:36,780 Voters
1379 00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:37,040 Won't
1380 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:37,460 Have it
1381 00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:38,320 And so
1382 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:38,540 Again
1383 00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:39,040 We need
1384 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:39,500 To find
1385 00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:39,980 A policy
1386 00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:40,700 That actually
1387 00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:41,100 Works
1388 00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:41,960 In real
1389 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:42,200 Life
1390 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:42,520 And not
1391 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:42,940 Just one
1392 00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:43,400 That makes
1393 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,240 Especially
1394 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:44,680 Green
1395 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:45,080 Voters
1396 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:45,720 Feel good
1397 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:46,160 Right now
1398 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,460 And these
1399 00:46:47,460 --> 00:46:47,960 Great
1400 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,380 Promises
1401 00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:49,080 That are
1402 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:49,800 Never going
1403 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,040 To be
1404 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:50,580 Met
1405 00:46:50,580 --> 00:46:51,640 If you
1406 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:51,960 Want to
1407 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,420 Come to
1408 00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:53,860 Democracy
1409 00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:55,500 And what
1410 00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:55,660 Do you
1411 00:46:55,660 --> 00:46:56,040 Think about
1412 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:56,360 This
1413 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:56,780 Political
1414 00:46:56,780 --> 00:46:57,180 System
1415 00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:57,420 And so
1416 00:46:57,420 --> 00:46:57,580 On
1417 00:46:57,580 --> 00:46:57,960 Are the
1418 00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,820 Risks
1419 00:46:58,820 --> 00:46:59,340 And dangers
1420 00:46:59,340 --> 00:46:59,780 That people
1421 00:46:59,780 --> 00:47:00,300 Are going
1422 00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:01,460 Nah
1423 00:47:01,460 --> 00:47:03,660 The promises
1424 00:47:03,660 --> 00:47:04,040 Are never
1425 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:04,280 Met
1426 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:04,640 So they
1427 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:04,820 Are
1428 00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:05,360 Losing
1429 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:05,700 Faith
1430 00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:05,940 In
1431 00:47:05,940 --> 00:47:06,920 Politics
1432 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,840 Of course
1433 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,120 I mean
1434 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,080 It's
1435 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:09,880 A bad
1436 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,200 Idea
1437 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,520 To have
1438 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,600 Politicians
1439 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,060 Promise
1440 00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:12,680 Stuff
1441 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:13,100 That they
1442 00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:13,320 Are not
1443 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:13,660 Actually
1444 00:47:13,660 --> 00:47:13,860 Going
1445 00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:13,960 To
1446 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:14,260 Achieve
1447 00:47:14,260 --> 00:47:15,140 That was
1448 00:47:15,140 --> 00:47:15,360 True
1449 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:15,680 When we
1450 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:15,940 Talked
1451 00:47:15,940 --> 00:47:16,080 About
1452 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:16,240 The
1453 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:16,720 Sustainable
1454 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:17,040 Development
1455 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:17,380 Goals
1456 00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:17,620 That's
1457 00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:17,800 True
1458 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:17,980 About
1459 00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:18,160 The
1460 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:18,440 Climate
1461 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,040 Policies
1462 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:19,980 But I
1463 00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:20,200 Think
1464 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,300 Whereas
1465 00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:22,280 Most
1466 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,580 Politicians
1467 00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:23,940 Probably
1468 00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:24,260 Knew
1469 00:47:24,260 --> 00:47:24,640 That they
1470 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:24,880 Were
1471 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,300 Just
1472 00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:26,140 Bragging
1473 00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:26,660 With
1474 00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:27,440 The
1475 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,060 Sustainable
1476 00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:28,400 Development
1477 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:28,700 Goals
1478 00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:28,940 Because
1479 00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:29,140 They
1480 00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:29,520 Knew
1481 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:29,760 Of
1482 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:29,920 Course
1483 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:30,100 We're
1484 00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:30,200 Not
1485 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:30,380 Going
1486 00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:30,480 To
1487 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:30,920 Eradicate
1488 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:31,400 Poverty
1489 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:31,520 And
1490 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,000 Eradicate
1491 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:32,340 Hunger
1492 00:47:32,340 --> 00:47:35,040 That's
1493 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:35,300 Just
1494 00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:35,860 Silly
1495 00:47:35,860 --> 00:47:36,600 To
1496 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:36,760 Make
1497 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:36,960 These
1498 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:37,400 Promises
1499 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:37,600 What
1500 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:37,760 We
1501 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:37,920 Should
1502 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,020 Have
1503 00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:38,300 Promised
1504 00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:38,880 Like
1505 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,020 We
1506 00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:39,180 Did
1507 00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:39,340 In
1508 00:47:39,340 --> 00:47:39,940 Millennium
1509 00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:40,280 Development
1510 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:40,600 Goals
1511 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,020 To
1512 00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:41,420 Cut
1513 00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:41,540 Them
1514 00:47:41,540 --> 00:47:41,680 By
1515 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:41,920 Two
1516 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:42,280 Thirds
1517 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:42,380 Or
1518 00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:42,580 Cut
1519 00:47:42,580 --> 00:47:42,700 Them
1520 00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:42,880 By
1521 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:43,140 Half
1522 00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:43,280 Or
1523 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:43,520 Something
1524 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,240 Realistic
1525 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:44,820 That
1526 00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:45,000 Would
1527 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:45,120 Have
1528 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:45,320 Been
1529 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,060 Sensible
1530 00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:46,480 The
1531 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:46,660 Other
1532 00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:46,860 Thing
1533 00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:46,980 Is
1534 00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:47,200 Just
1535 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,660 Propaganda
1536 00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:49,560 But
1537 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:49,700 I
1538 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:49,880 Think
1539 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:50,140 On
1540 00:47:50,140 --> 00:47:50,600 Climate
1541 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:51,320 A
1542 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:51,540 Lot
1543 00:47:51,540 --> 00:47:51,720 Of
1544 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:51,980 People
1545 00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:52,180 Have
1546 00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:52,360 Bought
1547 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:52,500 In
1548 00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:52,640 A
1549 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:52,760 Lot
1550 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:52,860 Of
1551 00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:53,360 Politicians
1552 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:53,520 Have
1553 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:53,660 Bought
1554 00:47:53,660 --> 00:47:53,800 In
1555 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,280 This
1556 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:54,420 Is
1557 00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:54,580 The
1558 00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:54,740 End
1559 00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:54,840 Of
1560 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:54,920 The
1561 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:55,120 World
1562 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:55,300 So
1563 00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:55,460 We
1564 00:47:55,460 --> 00:47:55,660 Just
1565 00:47:55,660 --> 00:47:55,940 Have
1566 00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:56,100 To
1567 00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:56,260 Do
1568 00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:56,700 Everything
1569 00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:57,320 But
1570 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:57,460 Of
1571 00:47:57,460 --> 00:47:57,640 Course
1572 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,200 When
1573 00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:58,320 It
1574 00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:58,520 Comes
1575 00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:58,740 Down
1576 00:47:58,740 --> 00:47:58,940 To
1577 00:47:58,940 --> 00:47:59,140 It
1578 00:47:59,140 --> 00:47:59,880 For
1579 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:00,140 Most
1580 00:48:00,140 --> 00:48:00,500 People
1581 00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:01,160 It
1582 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:01,380 Is
1583 00:48:01,380 --> 00:48:01,780 A
1584 00:48:01,780 --> 00:48:02,160 Problem
1585 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:02,960 But
1586 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,220 It's
1587 00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:03,420 Also
1588 00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:03,620 A
1589 00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:03,880 Problem
1590 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:04,060 If
1591 00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:04,140 I
1592 00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:04,420 Can't
1593 00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:04,680 Afford
1594 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,000 To
1595 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,880 Fill
1596 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:08,020 Up
1597 00:48:08,020 --> 00:48:08,200 My
1598 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:08,480 Gas
1599 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:08,760 Tank
1600 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,240 In
1601 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:09,400 The
1602 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:09,720 Car
1603 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:10,100 Or
1604 00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:11,160 Afford
1605 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:11,480 To
1606 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:11,880 Keep
1607 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:12,040 The
1608 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:12,260 Whole
1609 00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:12,700 House
1610 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:13,220 Heated
1611 00:48:13,220 --> 00:48:13,420 We
1612 00:48:13,420 --> 00:48:13,580 Know
1613 00:48:13,580 --> 00:48:13,780 For
1614 00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:14,040 Instance
1615 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,200 In
1616 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:14,380 Many
1617 00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:14,720 Countries
1618 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:15,340 Probably
1619 00:48:15,340 --> 00:48:15,600 Not
1620 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:15,760 So
1621 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:15,940 Much
1622 00:48:15,940 --> 00:48:16,080 Here
1623 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:16,200 In
1624 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:16,440 Sweden
1625 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,420 Because
1626 00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:17,600 We
1627 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:17,720 Have
1628 00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:17,860 A
1629 00:48:17,860 --> 00:48:18,120 Fairly
1630 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:18,680 Equal
1631 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:19,140 Society
1632 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:36,780 I
1633 00:48:36,780 --> 00:48:36,900 Don't
1634 00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:36,960 Know
1635 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:37,100 That's
1636 00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:37,260 Not
1637 00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:37,520 How
1638 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:37,780 A
1639 00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:38,560 Civilized
1640 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:38,840 And
1641 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:39,200 Developed
1642 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:39,500 Country
1643 00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:39,740 Should
1644 00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:39,940 Be
1645 00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:40,480 And
1646 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:40,640 We
1647 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:40,860 Need
1648 00:48:40,860 --> 00:48:41,020 To
1649 00:48:41,020 --> 00:48:41,220 Come
1650 00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:41,380 To
1651 00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:41,740 Terms
1652 00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:41,860 With
1653 00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:42,120 Saying
1654 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:42,620 We
1655 00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:43,260 Shouldn't
1656 00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:43,780 Offer
1657 00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:44,280 Everything
1658 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:44,520 On
1659 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:44,640 The
1660 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:44,960 Altar
1661 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:45,080 Of
1662 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:45,320 Climate
1663 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:45,680 Change
1664 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,240 In
1665 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:46,440 Order
1666 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:46,620 To
1667 00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:46,820 Do
1668 00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:47,580 Ineffective
1669 00:48:47,580 --> 00:48:48,120 Policies
1670 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:48,300 We
1671 00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:48,440 Should
1672 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:48,620 Be
1673 00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:49,020 Focusing
1674 00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:49,180 On
1675 00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:49,400 Spending
1676 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:49,780 Less
1677 00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:50,020 Money
1678 00:48:50,020 --> 00:48:50,500 Much
1679 00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:50,640 More
1680 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,120 Effectively
1681 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:51,340 So
1682 00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:51,600 We
1683 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:51,900 Both
1684 00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:52,160 Fix
1685 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:52,520 Climate
1686 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,000 And
1687 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:53,400 Fix
1688 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:53,560 All
1689 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:53,680 The
1690 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:53,820 Other
1691 00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:54,160 Problem
1692 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,240 We
1693 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,340 På
1694 00:48:57,340 --> 00:48:57,700 Danske
1695 00:48:57,700 --> 00:48:58,060 Bank
1696 00:48:58,060 --> 00:48:58,600 Vet
1697 00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:58,900 Att
1698 00:48:58,900 --> 00:48:59,420 Företag
1699 00:48:59,420 --> 00:48:59,580 Har
1700 00:48:59,580 --> 00:48:59,900 Olika
1701 00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:00,560 Mål
1702 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:00,720 I
1703 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:00,840 En
1704 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,160 Värld
1705 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:01,360 Som
1706 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:01,920 Ständigt
1707 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:02,620 Förändras
1708 00:49:02,620 --> 00:49:03,100 Hjälper
1709 00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:03,320 Vi
1710 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:03,640 Ditt
1711 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,200 Företag
1712 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:04,360 Att
1713 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:04,900 Navigera
1714 00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:05,560 Omvärlden
1715 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:06,180 Från
1716 00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:06,300 De
1717 00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:06,800 Minsta
1718 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:07,140 Till
1719 00:49:07,140 --> 00:49:07,300 De
1720 00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:07,820 Största
1721 00:49:07,820 --> 00:49:08,380 Vi
1722 00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:08,520 Ger
1723 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,060 Företag
1724 00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:09,700 Finansiell
1725 00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:10,380 Rådgivning
1726 00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:10,560 I
1727 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:10,940 Sverige
1728 00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:11,180 Och
1729 00:49:11,180 --> 00:49:11,320 I
1730 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:11,700 Resten
1731 00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:11,820 Av
1732 00:49:11,820 --> 00:49:12,240 Norden
1733 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:12,620 Vi
1734 00:49:12,620 --> 00:49:12,800 Är
1735 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,020 Hela
1736 00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:13,660 Nordens
1737 00:49:13,660 --> 00:49:14,220 Företags
1738 00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:14,640 Bank
1739 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:15,520 Danske
1740 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:15,860 Bank
1741 00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:20,370 On
1742 00:49:20,370 --> 00:49:20,550 That
1743 00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:20,970 Topic
1744 00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:21,710 You
1745 00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:22,070 Argue
1746 00:49:22,070 --> 00:49:22,870 Another
1747 00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:23,070 Of
1748 00:49:23,070 --> 00:49:23,190 Your
1749 00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:23,470 Pieces
1750 00:49:23,470 --> 00:49:23,890 Last
1751 00:49:23,890 --> 00:49:24,150 Year
1752 00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:24,690 That
1753 00:49:24,690 --> 00:49:25,090 Voters
1754 00:49:25,090 --> 00:49:25,250 Has
1755 00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:25,470 Grown
1756 00:49:25,470 --> 00:49:25,870 Tired
1757 00:49:25,870 --> 00:49:26,030 Of
1758 00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:26,590 Politicians
1759 00:49:26,590 --> 00:49:27,290 Who
1760 00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:27,750 Compete
1761 00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:27,930 To
1762 00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:28,150 Scream
1763 00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:28,310 The
1764 00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:28,590 Most
1765 00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:28,770 And
1766 00:49:28,770 --> 00:49:29,210 Loudest
1767 00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:29,470 About
1768 00:49:29,470 --> 00:49:29,730 The
1769 00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:30,250 Imminent
1770 00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:30,690 Danger
1771 00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:31,670 And
1772 00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:31,850 That's
1773 00:49:31,850 --> 00:49:31,930 A
1774 00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:32,050 Good
1775 00:49:32,050 --> 00:49:32,330 Thing
1776 00:49:32,330 --> 00:49:32,570 I
1777 00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:32,890 Recognize
1778 00:49:32,890 --> 00:49:33,610 Yes
1779 00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:33,970 I
1780 00:49:33,970 --> 00:49:34,090 Mean
1781 00:49:34,090 --> 00:49:34,470 Look
1782 00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:35,050 We
1783 00:49:35,050 --> 00:49:35,590 Gotta
1784 00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:36,210 Stop
1785 00:49:36,210 --> 00:49:36,870 Scaring
1786 00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:37,150 Our
1787 00:49:37,150 --> 00:49:37,390 Kids
1788 00:49:37,390 --> 00:49:37,870 Witless
1789 00:49:37,870 --> 00:49:38,090 As
1790 00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:38,270 I
1791 00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:39,250 Mentioned
1792 00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:39,770 The
1793 00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:40,090 Fact
1794 00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:40,330 That
1795 00:49:40,330 --> 00:49:40,530 By
1796 00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:40,710 The
1797 00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:40,830 End
1798 00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:40,930 Of
1799 00:49:40,930 --> 00:49:41,050 The
1800 00:49:41,050 --> 00:49:41,330 Century
1801 00:49:41,330 --> 00:49:41,550 The
1802 00:49:41,550 --> 00:49:41,810 Average
1803 00:49:41,810 --> 00:49:42,170 Person
1804 00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:42,390 Will
1805 00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:42,710 Only
1806 00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:42,890 Be
1807 00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:43,810 435
1808 00:49:43,810 --> 00:49:44,310 Percent
1809 00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:44,470 As
1810 00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:44,690 Rich
1811 00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:44,930 Rather
1812 00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:45,190 Than
1813 00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:46,230 450
1814 00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:46,630 Percent
1815 00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:47,650 Should
1816 00:49:47,650 --> 00:49:48,110 Mostly
1817 00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:48,350 Be
1818 00:49:48,350 --> 00:49:48,850 Celebrated
1819 00:49:48,850 --> 00:49:49,010 I
1820 00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:49,130 Mean
1821 00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:49,410 Yes
1822 00:49:49,410 --> 00:49:49,670 It's
1823 00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:49,810 Still
1824 00:49:49,810 --> 00:49:49,930 A
1825 00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:50,190 Problem
1826 00:49:50,190 --> 00:49:50,450 That
1827 00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:50,650 We
1828 00:49:50,650 --> 00:49:50,910 Could
1829 00:49:50,910 --> 00:49:51,030 Have
1830 00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:51,470 Done
1831 00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:51,730 Even
1832 00:49:51,730 --> 00:49:52,010 Better
1833 00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:52,250 And
1834 00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:52,550 Yes
1835 00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:52,790 There's
1836 00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:52,910 A
1837 00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:53,030 Lot
1838 00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:53,130 Of
1839 00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:53,350 Things
1840 00:49:53,350 --> 00:49:53,530 In
1841 00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:53,910 There
1842 00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:54,430 But
1843 00:49:54,430 --> 00:49:54,810 This
1844 00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:54,930 Is
1845 00:49:54,930 --> 00:49:55,210 Not
1846 00:49:55,210 --> 00:49:55,430 The
1847 00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:55,610 End
1848 00:49:55,610 --> 00:49:55,730 Of
1849 00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:55,830 The
1850 00:49:55,830 --> 00:49:56,030 World
1851 00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:56,970 Us
1852 00:49:56,970 --> 00:49:57,390 Scaring
1853 00:49:57,390 --> 00:49:57,810 Kids
1854 00:49:57,810 --> 00:49:58,490 Witless
1855 00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:58,710 Has
1856 00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:58,870 Been
1857 00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:59,050 A
1858 00:49:59,050 --> 00:49:59,670 Terrible
1859 00:49:59,670 --> 00:50:00,010 Thing
1860 00:50:00,010 --> 00:50:00,910 It's
1861 00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:01,090 Led
1862 00:50:01,090 --> 00:50:01,250 To
1863 00:50:01,250 --> 00:50:01,430 A
1864 00:50:01,430 --> 00:50:01,550 Lot
1865 00:50:01,550 --> 00:50:01,670 Of
1866 00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:02,510 Psychological
1867 00:50:02,510 --> 00:50:03,070 Problems
1868 00:50:03,070 --> 00:50:03,250 And
1869 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:03,810 Quite
1870 00:50:03,810 --> 00:50:04,190 Frankly
1871 00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:04,390 I
1872 00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:04,730 Understand
1873 00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:04,930 A
1874 00:50:04,930 --> 00:50:05,030 Lot
1875 00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:05,130 Of
1876 00:50:05,130 --> 00:50:05,350 Kids
1877 00:50:05,350 --> 00:50:05,730 Who
1878 00:50:05,730 --> 00:50:06,150 Decided
1879 00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:06,490 No
1880 00:50:06,490 --> 00:50:06,730 I
1881 00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:07,670 Don't
1882 00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:07,810 Want
1883 00:50:07,810 --> 00:50:07,890 To
1884 00:50:07,890 --> 00:50:07,990 Go
1885 00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:08,130 To
1886 00:50:08,130 --> 00:50:08,410 School
1887 00:50:08,410 --> 00:50:08,650 I
1888 00:50:08,650 --> 00:50:08,890 Don't
1889 00:50:08,890 --> 00:50:09,050 Want
1890 00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:09,130 To
1891 00:50:09,130 --> 00:50:10,330 Get
1892 00:50:10,330 --> 00:50:10,470 A
1893 00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:10,710 Kid
1894 00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:11,490 Those
1895 00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:11,670 Are
1896 00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:12,050 Terrible
1897 00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:12,510 Outcomes
1898 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:12,750 If
1899 00:50:12,750 --> 00:50:12,850 They
1900 00:50:12,850 --> 00:50:12,930 Are
1901 00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:13,250 Untrue
1902 00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:13,470 And
1903 00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:13,730 I
1904 00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:14,010 Think
1905 00:50:14,010 --> 00:50:14,330 It's
1906 00:50:14,330 --> 00:50:14,550 Very
1907 00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:14,750 Very
1908 00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:15,290 Obvious
1909 00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:15,550 That
1910 00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:15,850 The
1911 00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:16,050 Data
1912 00:50:16,050 --> 00:50:16,430 Tells
1913 00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:16,550 You
1914 00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:17,090 These
1915 00:50:17,090 --> 00:50:17,210 Are
1916 00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:17,550 Untrue
1917 00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:18,030 So
1918 00:50:18,030 --> 00:50:18,270 When
1919 00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:18,430 We
1920 00:50:18,430 --> 00:50:18,670 Get
1921 00:50:18,670 --> 00:50:19,370 Politicians
1922 00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:19,590 Who
1923 00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:19,990 Scream
1924 00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:20,170 A
1925 00:50:20,170 --> 00:50:20,310 Little
1926 00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:20,670 Less
1927 00:50:20,670 --> 00:50:21,450 And
1928 00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:21,610 Who
1929 00:50:21,610 --> 00:50:21,890 Start
1930 00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:22,210 Having
1931 00:50:22,210 --> 00:50:22,330 A
1932 00:50:22,330 --> 00:50:22,490 More
1933 00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:22,870 Sensible
1934 00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:23,550 Conversation
1935 00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:24,150 Yes
1936 00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:24,470 Climate
1937 00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:24,730 Change
1938 00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:24,890 Is
1939 00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:25,250 One
1940 00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:25,790 Challenge
1941 00:50:25,790 --> 00:50:25,990 That
1942 00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:26,110 We
1943 00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:26,270 Need
1944 00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:26,430 To
1945 00:50:26,430 --> 00:50:26,630 Fix
1946 00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:27,130 Let's
1947 00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:27,310 Fix
1948 00:50:27,310 --> 00:50:27,450 It
1949 00:50:27,450 --> 00:50:27,910 Smartly
1950 00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:28,210 So
1951 00:50:28,210 --> 00:50:28,390 We
1952 00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:28,530 Can
1953 00:50:28,530 --> 00:50:28,790 Also
1954 00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:29,230 Afford
1955 00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:29,650 All
1956 00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:45,410 Problem
1957 00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:45,990 Across
1958 00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:46,190 The
1959 00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:46,570 European
1960 00:50:46,570 --> 00:50:47,830 Continent
1961 00:50:47,830 --> 00:50:48,030 We
1962 00:50:48,030 --> 00:50:49,610 Have
1963 00:50:49,610 --> 00:50:49,890 Very
1964 00:50:49,890 --> 00:50:50,310 High
1965 00:50:50,310 --> 00:50:50,630 Energy
1966 00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:50,950 Prices
1967 00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:51,230 Which
1968 00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:51,370 Is
1969 00:50:51,370 --> 00:50:51,550 One
1970 00:50:51,550 --> 00:50:51,630 Of
1971 00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:51,730 The
1972 00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:52,090 Outcomes
1973 00:50:52,090 --> 00:50:52,270 Of
1974 00:50:52,270 --> 00:50:52,950 Climate
1975 00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:53,390 Policy
1976 00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:53,930 And
1977 00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:54,470 We
1978 00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:54,610 Have
1979 00:50:54,610 --> 00:50:55,210 Unfunded
1980 00:50:55,210 --> 00:50:55,410 Not
1981 00:50:55,410 --> 00:50:55,610 Here
1982 00:50:55,610 --> 00:50:55,750 In
1983 00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:56,010 Sweden
1984 00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:56,530 In
1985 00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:56,630 The
1986 00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:57,030 Nordics
1987 00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:57,530 But
1988 00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:58,090 In
1989 00:50:58,090 --> 00:50:58,430 General
1990 00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:59,250 Unfunded
1991 00:50:59,250 --> 00:50:59,630 Pension
1992 00:50:59,630 --> 00:51:00,130 Systems
1993 00:51:00,130 --> 00:51:00,330 That
1994 00:51:00,330 --> 00:51:00,410 Are
1995 00:51:00,410 --> 00:51:00,530 Going
1996 00:51:00,530 --> 00:51:00,690 To
1997 00:51:00,690 --> 00:51:01,070 Erupt
1998 00:51:01,070 --> 00:51:02,090 Really
1999 00:51:02,090 --> 00:51:02,570 Badly
2000 00:51:02,570 --> 00:51:02,690 In
2001 00:51:02,690 --> 00:51:02,830 Just
2002 00:51:02,830 --> 00:51:02,970 A
2003 00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:03,130 Couple
2004 00:51:03,130 --> 00:51:03,630 Decades
2005 00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:04,310 We
2006 00:51:04,310 --> 00:51:04,550 Have
2007 00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:04,970 Lots
2008 00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:05,110 Of
2009 00:51:05,110 --> 00:51:05,290 Other
2010 00:51:05,290 --> 00:51:05,770 Problems
2011 00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:06,350 Let's
2012 00:51:06,350 --> 00:51:06,570 Not
2013 00:51:06,570 --> 00:51:06,810 Make
2014 00:51:06,810 --> 00:51:07,170 Ourselves
2015 00:51:07,170 --> 00:51:07,490 So
2016 00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:07,790 Weak
2017 00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:07,970 For
2018 00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:08,250 One
2019 00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:08,470 Thing
2020 00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:08,650 That
2021 00:51:08,650 --> 00:51:08,970 Doesn't
2022 00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:09,230 Work
2023 00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:09,790 Namely
2024 00:51:09,790 --> 00:51:10,150 The
2025 00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:10,570 Current
2026 00:51:10,570 --> 00:51:10,910 Climate
2027 00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:11,370 Policies
2028 00:51:11,370 --> 00:51:11,870 That
2029 00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:12,030 We
2030 00:51:12,030 --> 00:51:12,350 Can't
2031 00:51:12,350 --> 00:51:12,650 Actually
2032 00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:12,950 Fix
2033 00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:13,310 All
2034 00:51:13,310 --> 00:51:13,490 These
2035 00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:13,670 Other
2036 00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:13,870 Things
2037 00:51:13,870 --> 00:51:14,010 So
2038 00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:14,170 We
2039 00:51:14,170 --> 00:51:14,290 Can
2040 00:51:14,290 --> 00:51:14,550 Also
2041 00:51:14,550 --> 00:51:15,350 Stand
2042 00:51:15,350 --> 00:51:15,650 Up
2043 00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:15,770 To
2044 00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:16,090 Trump
2045 00:51:16,090 --> 00:51:17,910 Another
2046 00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:18,370 Question
2047 00:51:18,370 --> 00:51:18,750 Maybe
2048 00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:18,950 A Bit
2049 00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:19,030 Of
2050 00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:19,130 A
2051 00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:19,310 Side
2052 00:51:19,310 --> 00:51:19,470 Note
2053 00:51:19,470 --> 00:51:19,670 But
2054 00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:20,110 In
2055 00:51:20,110 --> 00:51:20,430 Sweden
2056 00:51:20,430 --> 00:51:20,910 For
2057 00:51:20,910 --> 00:51:21,030 A
2058 00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:21,150 Few
2059 00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:21,390 Years
2060 00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:21,590 Ago
2061 00:51:21,590 --> 00:51:21,750 It
2062 00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:21,870 Was
2063 00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:21,990 A
2064 00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:22,110 Very
2065 00:51:22,110 --> 00:51:22,390 Common
2066 00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:22,750 Message
2067 00:51:22,750 --> 00:51:24,090 From
2068 00:51:24,090 --> 00:51:24,650 Politicians
2069 00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:25,810 That
2070 00:51:25,810 --> 00:51:26,510 You
2071 00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:27,450 Didn't
2072 00:51:27,450 --> 00:51:27,570 Have
2073 00:51:27,570 --> 00:51:27,710 To
2074 00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:27,910 Choose
2075 00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:28,230 Between
2076 00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:28,670 Economic
2077 00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:29,070 Growth
2078 00:51:29,070 --> 00:51:29,310 And
2079 00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:29,870 Climate
2080 00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:31,010 Transition
2081 00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:31,310 Because
2082 00:51:31,310 --> 00:51:31,730 They
2083 00:51:31,730 --> 00:51:31,830 Were
2084 00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:32,370 Walking
2085 00:51:32,370 --> 00:51:32,650 Hand
2086 00:51:32,650 --> 00:51:32,770 In
2087 00:51:32,770 --> 00:51:33,050 Hand
2088 00:51:33,050 --> 00:51:33,730 Actually
2089 00:51:33,730 --> 00:51:33,990 There
2090 00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:34,270 Was
2091 00:51:34,270 --> 00:51:34,710 A
2092 00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:34,890 Green
2093 00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:35,350 Transition
2094 00:51:35,350 --> 00:51:35,570 Was
2095 00:51:35,570 --> 00:51:36,030 Inself
2096 00:51:36,030 --> 00:51:36,650 A
2097 00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:36,850 Path
2098 00:51:36,850 --> 00:51:36,950 To
2099 00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:37,250 Growth
2100 00:51:37,250 --> 00:51:38,230 Was
2101 00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:38,510 This
2102 00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:38,770 Never
2103 00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:39,010 True
2104 00:51:39,010 --> 00:51:39,290 Or
2105 00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:39,510 Was
2106 00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:39,630 It
2107 00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:39,810 True
2108 00:51:39,810 --> 00:51:39,990 Or
2109 00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:40,550 I
2110 00:51:40,550 --> 00:51:40,730 Don't
2111 00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:40,910 Think
2112 00:51:40,910 --> 00:51:41,050 It
2113 00:51:41,050 --> 00:51:41,190 Was
2114 00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:41,410 Ever
2115 00:51:41,410 --> 00:51:41,610 True
2116 00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:41,810 But
2117 00:51:41,810 --> 00:51:41,950 It's
2118 00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:42,050 A
2119 00:51:42,050 --> 00:51:42,190 Very
2120 00:51:42,190 --> 00:51:42,590 Obvious
2121 00:51:42,590 --> 00:51:42,890 Now
2122 00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:43,310 That
2123 00:51:43,310 --> 00:51:43,770 We
2124 00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:43,950 Can
2125 00:51:43,950 --> 00:51:44,270 See
2126 00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:44,830 It's
2127 00:51:44,830 --> 00:51:45,010 Not
2128 00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:45,310 True
2129 00:51:45,310 --> 00:51:46,230 Obviously
2130 00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:47,070 If
2131 00:51:47,070 --> 00:51:47,330 You
2132 00:51:47,330 --> 00:51:47,750 Recognize
2133 00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:48,010 This
2134 00:51:48,010 --> 00:51:48,590 Yes
2135 00:51:48,590 --> 00:51:48,910 Oh
2136 00:51:48,910 --> 00:51:49,430 Of
2137 00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:49,630 Course
2138 00:51:49,630 --> 00:51:50,390 And
2139 00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:50,990 The
2140 00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:51,250 Simple
2141 00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:51,550 Point
2142 00:51:51,550 --> 00:51:51,710 Is
2143 00:51:51,710 --> 00:51:52,090 Look
2144 00:51:52,090 --> 00:51:52,650 If
2145 00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:53,430 Green
2146 00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:53,770 Was
2147 00:51:53,770 --> 00:51:54,130 Really
2148 00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:54,650 Cheaper
2149 00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:55,610 Everyone
2150 00:51:55,610 --> 00:51:55,910 Would
2151 00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:56,070 Just
2152 00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:56,250 Be
2153 00:51:56,250 --> 00:51:56,670 Doing
2154 00:51:56,670 --> 00:51:56,870 It
2155 00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:57,270 This
2156 00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:57,450 Is
2157 00:51:57,450 --> 00:51:57,690 Not
2158 00:51:57,690 --> 00:51:57,910 A
2159 00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:58,190 Hard
2160 00:51:58,190 --> 00:51:58,690 Thing
2161 00:51:58,690 --> 00:51:58,970 To
2162 00:51:58,970 --> 00:52:00,350 Think
2163 00:52:00,350 --> 00:52:00,590 About
2164 00:52:00,590 --> 00:52:01,330 If
2165 00:52:01,330 --> 00:52:02,070 Getting
2166 00:52:02,070 --> 00:52:02,970 On
2167 00:52:02,970 --> 00:52:03,130 The
2168 00:52:03,130 --> 00:52:03,370 Green
2169 00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:03,650 Wave
2170 00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:03,870 Was
2171 00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:04,050 Just
2172 00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:04,330 Something
2173 00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:04,730 Everyone
2174 00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:05,110 Wanted
2175 00:52:05,110 --> 00:52:05,230 To
2176 00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:05,350 Do
2177 00:52:05,350 --> 00:52:05,810 We
2178 00:52:05,810 --> 00:52:06,070 Didn't
2179 00:52:06,070 --> 00:52:06,570 Need
2180 00:52:06,570 --> 00:52:06,790 To
2181 00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:07,070 Have
2182 00:52:07,070 --> 00:52:07,490 Any
2183 00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:08,070 Climate
2184 00:52:08,070 --> 00:52:08,490 Summits
2185 00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:09,090 Everyone
2186 00:52:09,090 --> 00:52:09,430 Would
2187 00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:09,590 Just
2188 00:52:09,590 --> 00:52:09,730 Be
2189 00:52:09,730 --> 00:52:09,990 Doing
2190 00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:10,130 It
2191 00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:10,610 The
2192 00:52:10,610 --> 00:52:11,170 Reason
2193 00:52:11,170 --> 00:52:11,790 Why
2194 00:52:11,790 --> 00:52:12,710 We
2195 00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:13,030 Have
2196 00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:13,230 To
2197 00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:13,570 Twist
2198 00:52:13,570 --> 00:52:13,850 Each
2199 00:52:13,850 --> 00:52:14,190 Other's
2200 00:52:14,190 --> 00:52:14,390 Arms
2201 00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:14,530 And
2202 00:52:14,530 --> 00:52:14,710 Our
2203 00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:15,050 Own
2204 00:52:15,050 --> 00:52:15,370 Arms
2205 00:52:15,370 --> 00:52:15,750 Is
2206 00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:15,910 Of
2207 00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:16,070 Course
2208 00:52:16,070 --> 00:52:16,250 That
2209 00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:16,350 We
2210 00:52:16,350 --> 00:52:16,430 Are
2211 00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:16,790 Actually
2212 00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:17,190 Asking
2213 00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:17,490 People
2214 00:52:17,490 --> 00:52:17,670 To
2215 00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:17,790 Do
2216 00:52:17,790 --> 00:52:18,350 I'm
2217 00:52:18,350 --> 00:52:18,570 Sorry
2218 00:52:18,570 --> 00:52:18,950 Would
2219 00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:19,050 You
2220 00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:19,230 Mind
2221 00:52:19,230 --> 00:52:19,490 Having
2222 00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:19,710 More
2223 00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:20,110 Expensive
2224 00:52:20,110 --> 00:52:20,710 Electricity
2225 00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:20,890 But
2226 00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:21,110 At
2227 00:52:21,110 --> 00:52:21,350 Least
2228 00:52:21,350 --> 00:52:21,810 It'll
2229 00:52:21,810 --> 00:52:22,030 Not
2230 00:52:22,030 --> 00:52:22,270 Be
2231 00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:22,950 You
2232 00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:23,490 Can't
2233 00:52:23,490 --> 00:52:23,590 Be
2234 00:52:23,590 --> 00:52:24,050 Confident
2235 00:52:24,050 --> 00:52:24,370 They'll
2236 00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:24,510 Be
2237 00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:24,730 There
2238 00:52:24,730 --> 00:52:24,930 When
2239 00:52:24,930 --> 00:52:25,050 You
2240 00:52:25,050 --> 00:52:25,250 Need
2241 00:52:25,250 --> 00:52:25,450 It
2242 00:52:25,450 --> 00:52:26,210 That's
2243 00:52:26,210 --> 00:52:26,670 Just
2244 00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:26,850 A
2245 00:52:26,850 --> 00:52:27,190 Terrible
2246 00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:27,650 Argument
2247 00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:28,130 And
2248 00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:28,270 Of
2249 00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:28,410 Course
2250 00:52:28,410 --> 00:52:28,890 You
2251 00:52:28,890 --> 00:52:29,070 Can
2252 00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:29,350 Do
2253 00:52:29,350 --> 00:52:29,710 This
2254 00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:30,450 Economists
2255 00:52:30,450 --> 00:52:30,610 Will
2256 00:52:30,610 --> 00:52:30,930 Always
2257 00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:31,150 Tell
2258 00:52:31,150 --> 00:52:31,330 You
2259 00:52:31,330 --> 00:52:31,690 With
2260 00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:32,410 Enough
2261 00:52:32,410 --> 00:52:32,650 Money
2262 00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:32,810 You
2263 00:52:32,810 --> 00:52:32,930 Can
2264 00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:33,050 Do
2265 00:52:33,050 --> 00:52:33,310 Whatever
2266 00:52:33,310 --> 00:52:33,470 You
2267 00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:33,670 Want
2268 00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:33,850 But
2269 00:52:33,850 --> 00:52:33,990 You
2270 00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:34,190 Just
2271 00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:34,510 Can't
2272 00:52:34,510 --> 00:52:34,670 Do
2273 00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:35,090 Everything
2274 00:52:35,090 --> 00:52:35,670 And
2275 00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:35,850 So
2276 00:52:35,850 --> 00:52:36,210 This
2277 00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:36,770 Costs
2278 00:52:36,770 --> 00:52:37,030 Real
2279 00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:37,710 Resources
2280 00:52:37,710 --> 00:52:37,970 And
2281 00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:38,190 That's
2282 00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:38,330 Of
2283 00:52:38,330 --> 00:52:38,450 Course
2284 00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:38,690 Why
2285 00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:38,910 We're
2286 00:52:38,910 --> 00:52:39,190 Seeing
2287 00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:39,970 Across
2288 00:52:39,970 --> 00:52:40,210 The
2289 00:52:40,210 --> 00:52:40,510 European
2290 00:52:40,510 --> 00:52:41,010 Continent
2291 00:52:41,010 --> 00:52:41,490 A
2292 00:52:41,490 --> 00:52:41,710 Lot
2293 00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:41,830 Of
2294 00:52:41,830 --> 00:52:42,030 People
2295 00:52:42,030 --> 00:52:42,310 Saying
2296 00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:42,690 No
2297 00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:42,990 I
2298 00:52:42,990 --> 00:52:43,110 Don't
2299 00:52:43,110 --> 00:52:43,250 Want
2300 00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:43,350 To
2301 00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:43,470 Do
2302 00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:43,670 This
2303 00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:43,970 Anymore
2304 00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:44,490 I
2305 00:52:44,490 --> 00:52:44,690 Think
2306 00:52:44,690 --> 00:52:44,850 It's
2307 00:52:44,850 --> 00:52:44,990 A
2308 00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:45,590 Tragic
2309 00:52:45,590 --> 00:52:46,090 Outcome
2310 00:52:46,090 --> 00:52:46,770 Of
2311 00:52:46,770 --> 00:52:47,210 Well
2312 00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:47,890 Intentioned
2313 00:52:47,890 --> 00:52:48,250 Policy
2314 00:52:48,250 --> 00:52:48,550 So
2315 00:52:48,550 --> 00:52:48,790 I
2316 00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:49,150 Think
2317 00:52:49,150 --> 00:52:49,450 All
2318 00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:49,570 Of
2319 00:52:49,570 --> 00:52:49,670 The
2320 00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:49,950 Green
2321 00:52:49,950 --> 00:52:50,290 People
2322 00:52:50,290 --> 00:52:50,710 Who
2323 00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:50,830 Are
2324 00:52:50,830 --> 00:52:51,190 Arguing
2325 00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:51,390 We
2326 00:52:51,390 --> 00:52:51,550 Should
2327 00:52:51,550 --> 00:52:51,810 Do
2328 00:52:51,810 --> 00:52:52,070 Something
2329 00:52:52,070 --> 00:52:52,290 About
2330 00:52:52,290 --> 00:52:52,510 Climate
2331 00:52:52,510 --> 00:52:52,750 Change
2332 00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:52,970 They're
2333 00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:53,170 Well
2334 00:52:53,170 --> 00:52:53,650 Intentioned
2335 00:52:53,650 --> 00:52:53,730 I
2336 00:52:53,730 --> 00:52:53,850 Mean
2337 00:52:53,850 --> 00:52:54,070 Just
2338 00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:54,270 Like
2339 00:52:54,270 --> 00:52:54,410 The
2340 00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:54,630 People
2341 00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:54,750 Who
2342 00:52:54,750 --> 00:52:54,810 Are
2343 00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:54,970 Saying
2344 00:52:54,970 --> 00:52:58,450 We
2345 00:52:58,450 --> 00:52:58,570 Should
2346 00:52:58,570 --> 00:52:58,730 Get
2347 00:52:58,730 --> 00:52:58,910 Rid
2348 00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:58,990 Of
2349 00:52:58,990 --> 00:52:59,290 Malaria
2350 00:52:59,290 --> 00:53:00,330 They're
2351 00:53:00,330 --> 00:53:00,570 All
2352 00:53:00,570 --> 00:53:01,050 Well
2353 00:53:01,050 --> 00:53:01,630 Intentioned
2354 00:53:01,630 --> 00:53:01,870 People
2355 00:53:01,870 --> 00:53:02,370 It
2356 00:53:02,370 --> 00:53:02,550 Just
2357 00:53:02,550 --> 00:53:02,750 So
2358 00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:03,290 Happens
2359 00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:03,770 That
2360 00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:03,930 The
2361 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:04,110 Well
2362 00:53:04,110 --> 00:53:04,650 Intentioned
2363 00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:04,890 People
2364 00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:05,090 On
2365 00:53:05,090 --> 00:53:05,370 Climate
2366 00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:05,710 Change
2367 00:53:05,710 --> 00:53:06,170 Have
2368 00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:06,330 Been
2369 00:53:06,330 --> 00:53:06,690 Pushing
2370 00:53:06,690 --> 00:53:06,950 A
2371 00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:07,310 Policy
2372 00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:07,810 That
2373 00:53:07,810 --> 00:53:07,990 We
2374 00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:08,330 Knew
2375 00:53:08,330 --> 00:53:09,070 30
2376 00:53:09,070 --> 00:53:09,330 Years
2377 00:53:09,330 --> 00:53:09,550 Ago
2378 00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:09,830 Wouldn't
2379 00:53:09,830 --> 00:53:10,090 Work
2380 00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:10,410 That
2381 00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:10,570 We
2382 00:53:10,570 --> 00:53:10,750 Knew
2383 00:53:10,750 --> 00:53:11,190 20
2384 00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:11,410 Or
2385 00:53:11,410 --> 00:53:11,650 10
2386 00:53:11,650 --> 00:53:11,910 Years
2387 00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:12,090 Or
2388 00:53:12,090 --> 00:53:12,390 5
2389 00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:12,590 Years
2390 00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:12,790 Ago
2391 00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:13,130 Wouldn't
2392 00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:13,370 Work
2393 00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:13,730 And
2394 00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:14,030 Now
2395 00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:14,530 Most
2396 00:53:14,530 --> 00:53:14,790 People
2397 00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:14,990 Can
2398 00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:15,170 See
2399 00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:15,390 Oh
2400 00:53:15,390 --> 00:53:15,710 Well
2401 00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:15,970 Yeah
2402 00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:16,250 It
2403 00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:16,470 Was
2404 00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:16,770 Really
2405 00:53:16,770 --> 00:53:17,250 Expensive
2406 00:53:17,250 --> 00:53:17,470 And
2407 00:53:17,470 --> 00:53:17,690 Didn't
2408 00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:17,850 Work
2409 00:53:17,850 --> 00:53:18,070 Very
2410 00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:18,270 Well
2411 00:53:18,270 --> 00:53:19,150 And
2412 00:53:19,150 --> 00:53:19,390 Most
2413 00:53:19,390 --> 00:53:19,630 People
2414 00:53:19,630 --> 00:53:19,770 Are
2415 00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:19,850 Going
2416 00:53:19,850 --> 00:53:19,950 To
2417 00:53:19,950 --> 00:53:20,110 Say
2418 00:53:20,110 --> 00:53:20,490 No
2419 00:53:20,490 --> 00:53:20,670 To
2420 00:53:20,670 --> 00:53:20,910 This
2421 00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:21,430 So
2422 00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:22,430 Let's
2423 00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:22,690 Find
2424 00:53:22,690 --> 00:53:22,830 A
2425 00:53:22,830 --> 00:53:23,130 Smarter
2426 00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:23,650 And
2427 00:53:23,650 --> 00:53:23,990 Cheaper
2428 00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:24,390 And
2429 00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:24,570 More
2430 00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:25,050 Effective
2431 00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:25,210 Way
2432 00:53:25,210 --> 00:53:25,370 To
2433 00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:25,550 Deal
2434 00:53:25,550 --> 00:53:25,730 With
2435 00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:25,990 Climate
2436 00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:26,250 Change
2437 00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:26,470 So
2438 00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:26,670 We
2439 00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:26,790 Can
2440 00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:26,930 Do
2441 00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:27,110 The
2442 00:53:27,110 --> 00:53:27,370 Exact
2443 00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:27,590 Same
2444 00:53:27,590 --> 00:53:27,790 Thing
2445 00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:27,950 That
2446 00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:28,050 We
2447 00:53:28,050 --> 00:53:28,350 Talked
2448 00:53:28,350 --> 00:53:28,510 About
2449 00:53:28,510 --> 00:53:28,630 In
2450 00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:28,730 The
2451 00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:28,930 Beginning
2452 00:53:28,930 --> 00:53:29,110 Of
2453 00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:29,170 The
2454 00:53:29,170 --> 00:53:29,430 Program
2455 00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:29,750 Namely
2456 00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:30,030 Being Being
2457 00:53:30,050 --> 00:53:30,430 Smart
2458 00:53:30,430 --> 00:53:30,670 And
2459 00:53:30,670 --> 00:53:31,130 Effective
2460 00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:31,510 On
2461 00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:31,850 All
2462 00:53:31,850 --> 00:53:32,010 The
2463 00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:32,230 Different
2464 00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:32,550 Things
2465 00:53:32,550 --> 00:53:32,710 That
2466 00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:32,830 We
2467 00:53:32,830 --> 00:53:33,010 Need
2468 00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:33,150 To
2469 00:53:33,150 --> 00:53:33,350 Worry
2470 00:53:33,350 --> 00:53:33,770 About
2471 00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:34,790 Our
2472 00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:35,230 Time
2473 00:53:35,230 --> 00:53:35,470 Is
2474 00:53:35,470 --> 00:53:35,790 Always
2475 00:53:35,790 --> 00:53:36,630 Up
2476 00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:36,930 But
2477 00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:37,330 Just
2478 00:53:37,330 --> 00:53:37,550 A Few
2479 00:53:37,550 --> 00:53:37,970 Questions
2480 00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:38,290 More
2481 00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:38,830 Are
2482 00:53:38,830 --> 00:53:38,930 You
2483 00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:39,290 Familiar
2484 00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:39,710 With
2485 00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:39,850 The
2486 00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:40,090 Swedish
2487 00:53:40,090 --> 00:53:40,350 Term
2488 00:53:40,350 --> 00:53:41,230 Åsiktskorridoren
2489 00:53:41,230 --> 00:53:41,610 Oh
2490 00:53:41,610 --> 00:53:41,910 Yes
2491 00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:42,110 I
2492 00:53:42,110 --> 00:53:43,070 Love
2493 00:53:43,070 --> 00:53:43,310 That
2494 00:53:43,310 --> 00:53:43,630 Term
2495 00:53:43,630 --> 00:53:43,890 I
2496 00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:44,310 Don't
2497 00:53:44,310 --> 00:53:44,450 Know
2498 00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:44,590 How
2499 00:53:44,590 --> 00:53:44,710 To
2500 00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:45,130 Translate
2501 00:53:45,130 --> 00:53:45,230 It
2502 00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:45,350 But
2503 00:53:45,350 --> 00:54:05,450 It's
2504 00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:05,870 The
2505 00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:06,090 End
2506 00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:06,190 Of
2507 00:54:06,190 --> 00:54:06,290 The
2508 00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:06,490 World
2509 00:54:06,490 --> 00:54:06,670 And
2510 00:54:06,670 --> 00:54:06,770 We
2511 00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:06,930 Need
2512 00:54:06,930 --> 00:54:07,030 To
2513 00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:07,170 Do
2514 00:54:07,170 --> 00:54:07,490 Everything
2515 00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:07,810 About
2516 00:54:07,810 --> 00:54:07,950 It
2517 00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:08,150 So
2518 00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:08,650 Even
2519 00:54:08,650 --> 00:54:08,790 Though
2520 00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:09,010 I've
2521 00:54:09,010 --> 00:54:09,450 Never
2522 00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:09,970 Denied
2523 00:54:09,970 --> 00:54:10,350 Climate
2524 00:54:10,350 --> 00:54:10,750 Change
2525 00:54:10,750 --> 00:54:11,830 I've
2526 00:54:11,830 --> 00:54:12,050 Always
2527 00:54:12,050 --> 00:54:12,230 Said
2528 00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:12,470 Yes
2529 00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:12,650 It's
2530 00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:12,790 A
2531 00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:12,930 Real
2532 00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:13,290 Problem
2533 00:54:13,290 --> 00:54:13,490 It's
2534 00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:13,610 A
2535 00:54:13,610 --> 00:54:13,770 Man
2536 00:54:13,770 --> 00:54:13,930 Made
2537 00:54:13,930 --> 00:54:14,250 Problem
2538 00:54:14,250 --> 00:54:14,470 It's
2539 00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:14,690 Something
2540 00:54:14,690 --> 00:54:14,890 That
2541 00:54:14,890 --> 00:54:15,010 We
2542 00:54:15,010 --> 00:54:15,190 Need
2543 00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:15,330 To
2544 00:54:15,330 --> 00:54:15,650 Fix
2545 00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:16,470 But
2546 00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:16,650 It's
2547 00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:16,810 Not
2548 00:54:16,810 --> 00:54:16,970 The
2549 00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:17,250 Only
2550 00:54:17,250 --> 00:54:17,490 Oh
2551 00:54:17,490 --> 00:54:17,850 Wait
2552 00:54:17,850 --> 00:54:18,370 You're
2553 00:54:18,370 --> 00:54:18,510 A
2554 00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:18,810 Terrible
2555 00:54:18,810 --> 00:54:19,170 Person
2556 00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:19,410 Right
2557 00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:19,550 I
2558 00:54:19,550 --> 00:54:19,690 Mean
2559 00:54:19,690 --> 00:54:20,090 This
2560 00:54:20,090 --> 00:54:20,270 Was
2561 00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:20,690 Literally
2562 00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:21,130 The
2563 00:54:21,130 --> 00:54:21,970 Reaction
2564 00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:22,170 For
2565 00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:22,270 A
2566 00:54:22,270 --> 00:54:22,390 Very
2567 00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:22,590 Long
2568 00:54:22,590 --> 00:54:22,830 Time
2569 00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:23,470 It
2570 00:54:23,470 --> 00:54:23,610 Is
2571 00:54:23,610 --> 00:54:23,810 No
2572 00:54:23,810 --> 00:54:24,210 Longer
2573 00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:24,390 And
2574 00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:24,510 I
2575 00:54:24,510 --> 00:54:24,710 Think
2576 00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:25,730 Part
2577 00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:25,870 Of
2578 00:54:25,870 --> 00:54:26,070 This
2579 00:54:26,070 --> 00:54:26,250 Is
2580 00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:26,590 Because
2581 00:54:26,590 --> 00:54:26,990 We
2582 00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:27,230 Started
2583 00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:27,730 Realizing
2584 00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:28,050 Oh
2585 00:54:28,050 --> 00:54:28,330 He's
2586 00:54:28,330 --> 00:54:28,570 Right
2587 00:54:28,570 --> 00:54:29,230 But
2588 00:54:29,230 --> 00:54:29,490 Also
2589 00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:29,930 Because
2590 00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:30,270 It
2591 00:54:30,270 --> 00:54:30,410 Has
2592 00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:30,630 Become
2593 00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:30,890 Much
2594 00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:31,070 More
2595 00:54:31,070 --> 00:54:31,430 Common
2596 00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:31,830 Like
2597 00:54:31,830 --> 00:54:32,190 Bill
2598 00:54:32,190 --> 00:54:32,470 Gates
2599 00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:32,610 And
2600 00:54:32,610 --> 00:54:32,770 Many
2601 00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:33,030 Others
2602 00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:33,470 To
2603 00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:33,690 Say
2604 00:54:33,690 --> 00:54:34,430 Wait
2605 00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:34,590 A
2606 00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:34,750 Minute
2607 00:54:34,750 --> 00:54:35,450 We
2608 00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:35,990 Actually
2609 00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:36,290 Also
2610 00:54:36,290 --> 00:54:36,450 Have
2611 00:54:36,450 --> 00:54:36,590 Other
2612 00:54:36,590 --> 00:54:36,910 Problem
2613 00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:37,330 And
2614 00:54:37,330 --> 00:54:37,450 I
2615 00:54:37,450 --> 00:54:37,590 Think
2616 00:54:37,590 --> 00:54:37,850 The
2617 00:54:37,850 --> 00:54:38,650 Invasion
2618 00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:38,850 Of
2619 00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:39,350 Ukraine
2620 00:54:39,350 --> 00:54:40,370 Covid
2621 00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:40,890 Have
2622 00:54:40,890 --> 00:54:41,250 Also
2623 00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:41,490 Made
2624 00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:41,610 It
2625 00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:41,870 Clear
2626 00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:42,070 To
2627 00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:42,410 People
2628 00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:43,250 Oh
2629 00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:43,510 Wait
2630 00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:44,270 We
2631 00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:44,410 Were
2632 00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:44,670 Not
2633 00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:44,830 You
2634 00:54:44,830 --> 00:54:44,930 Know
2635 00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:45,350 We
2636 00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:45,710 Had
2637 00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:45,910 This
2638 00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:46,250 Idea
2639 00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:46,630 Back
2640 00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:46,910 In
2641 00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:47,230 When
2642 00:54:47,230 --> 00:54:47,890 The
2643 00:54:47,890 --> 00:54:49,990 Wall
2644 00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:50,370 Fell
2645 00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:50,790 And
2646 00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:51,650 The
2647 00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:51,870 Whole
2648 00:54:51,870 --> 00:54:52,150 World
2649 00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:52,430 Seemed
2650 00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:52,590 To
2651 00:54:52,590 --> 00:54:53,170 Come
2652 00:54:53,170 --> 00:54:53,590 Around
2653 00:54:53,590 --> 00:54:54,450 We
2654 00:54:54,450 --> 00:54:58,210 Thought
2655 00:54:58,210 --> 00:54:58,610 History
2656 00:54:58,610 --> 00:54:58,810 Had
2657 00:54:58,810 --> 00:54:59,330 Ended
2658 00:54:59,330 --> 00:54:59,570 And
2659 00:54:59,570 --> 00:55:00,050 We
2660 00:55:00,050 --> 00:55:00,310 Really
2661 00:55:00,310 --> 00:55:00,530 Just
2662 00:55:00,530 --> 00:55:00,690 Had
2663 00:55:00,690 --> 00:55:00,850 This
2664 00:55:00,850 --> 00:55:01,030 One
2665 00:55:01,030 --> 00:55:01,350 Problem
2666 00:55:01,350 --> 00:55:01,530 We
2667 00:55:01,530 --> 00:55:01,710 Need
2668 00:55:01,710 --> 00:55:01,830 To
2669 00:55:01,830 --> 00:55:02,070 Fix
2670 00:55:02,070 --> 00:55:02,370 Climate
2671 00:55:02,370 --> 00:55:02,650 Change
2672 00:55:02,650 --> 00:55:02,910 Sure
2673 00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:03,330 It's
2674 00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:03,450 Going
2675 00:55:03,450 --> 00:55:03,490 To
2676 00:55:03,490 --> 00:55:03,570 Be
2677 00:55:03,570 --> 00:55:03,910 Expensive
2678 00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:04,130 But
2679 00:55:04,130 --> 00:55:04,590 We
2680 00:55:04,590 --> 00:55:04,750 Can
2681 00:55:04,750 --> 00:55:05,030 Afford
2682 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:05,150 It
2683 00:55:05,150 --> 00:55:05,270 And
2684 00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:05,450 It's
2685 00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:05,630 Really
2686 00:55:05,630 --> 00:55:05,810 The
2687 00:55:05,810 --> 00:55:05,970 Only
2688 00:55:05,970 --> 00:55:06,150 Thing
2689 00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:06,270 We
2690 00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:06,430 Need
2691 00:55:06,430 --> 00:55:06,550 To
2692 00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:06,750 Fix
2693 00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:07,710 Now
2694 00:55:07,710 --> 00:55:08,150 Everyone
2695 00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:08,510 Realize
2696 00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:08,710 Oh
2697 00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:08,930 Wait
2698 00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:09,230 There's
2699 00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:09,790 A Lot
2700 00:55:09,790 --> 00:55:09,930 Of
2701 00:55:09,930 --> 00:55:10,130 Other
2702 00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:10,810 Issues
2703 00:55:10,810 --> 00:55:11,810 Pension
2704 00:55:11,810 --> 00:55:12,430 Reforms
2705 00:55:12,430 --> 00:55:13,550 Defense
2706 00:55:13,550 --> 00:55:14,550 The
2707 00:55:14,550 --> 00:55:14,870 Fact
2708 00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:15,050 That
2709 00:55:15,050 --> 00:55:15,230 We
2710 00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:15,470 Have
2711 00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:16,150 So
2712 00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:16,610 Many
2713 00:55:16,610 --> 00:55:17,090 Other
2714 00:55:17,090 --> 00:55:17,670 Problems
2715 00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:17,770 In
2716 00:55:17,770 --> 00:55:17,870 The
2717 00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:18,070 World
2718 00:55:18,070 --> 00:55:18,530 That
2719 00:55:18,530 --> 00:55:18,690 We
2720 00:55:18,690 --> 00:55:18,890 Need
2721 00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:19,050 To
2722 00:55:19,050 --> 00:55:19,470 Tackle
2723 00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:20,050 Make
2724 00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:20,290 It
2725 00:55:20,290 --> 00:55:20,630 Much
2726 00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:20,950 Clear
2727 00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:21,130 To
2728 00:55:21,130 --> 00:55:21,330 Most
2729 00:55:21,330 --> 00:55:21,610 People
2730 00:55:21,610 --> 00:55:22,150 We
2731 00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:22,350 Have
2732 00:55:22,350 --> 00:55:22,450 To
2733 00:55:22,450 --> 00:55:22,610 Be
2734 00:55:22,610 --> 00:55:23,090 Really
2735 00:55:23,090 --> 00:55:23,430 Careful
2736 00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:23,650 How
2737 00:55:23,650 --> 00:55:23,790 We
2738 00:55:23,790 --> 00:55:24,010 Spend
2739 00:55:24,010 --> 00:55:24,150 Our
2740 00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:24,350 Money
2741 00:55:24,350 --> 00:55:25,430 So
2742 00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:25,790 You
2743 00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:26,230 And
2744 00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:26,530 People
2745 00:55:26,530 --> 00:55:26,850 Who
2746 00:55:26,850 --> 00:55:27,470 Think
2747 00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:27,650 Like
2748 00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:27,810 You
2749 00:55:27,810 --> 00:55:28,090 You
2750 00:55:28,090 --> 00:55:28,330 Are
2751 00:55:28,330 --> 00:55:28,630 The
2752 00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:28,950 Winners
2753 00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:29,190 You
2754 00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:29,330 Are
2755 00:55:29,330 --> 00:55:29,710 Starting
2756 00:55:29,710 --> 00:55:29,870 To
2757 00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:30,050 Win
2758 00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:30,330 Now
2759 00:55:30,330 --> 00:55:31,230 I
2760 00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:32,030 Can
2761 00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:32,110 You
2762 00:55:32,110 --> 00:55:32,230 Put
2763 00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:32,370 It
2764 00:55:32,370 --> 00:55:32,530 Like
2765 00:55:32,530 --> 00:55:32,850 That
2766 00:55:32,850 --> 00:55:33,050 No
2767 00:55:33,050 --> 00:55:33,210 I
2768 00:55:33,210 --> 00:55:33,690 Don't
2769 00:55:33,690 --> 00:55:33,870 Think
2770 00:55:33,870 --> 00:55:34,130 That's
2771 00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:34,230 The
2772 00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:34,370 Right
2773 00:55:34,370 --> 00:55:34,530 Way
2774 00:55:34,530 --> 00:55:34,650 To
2775 00:55:34,650 --> 00:55:34,830 Think
2776 00:55:34,830 --> 00:55:35,330 About
2777 00:55:35,330 --> 00:55:35,510 It
2778 00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:35,650 Is
2779 00:55:35,650 --> 00:55:35,890 Much
2780 00:55:35,890 --> 00:55:36,110 More
2781 00:55:36,110 --> 00:55:36,470 That
2782 00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:36,810 I
2783 00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:37,050 Think
2784 00:55:37,050 --> 00:55:38,130 Most
2785 00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:38,530 People
2786 00:55:38,530 --> 00:55:39,210 Were
2787 00:55:39,210 --> 00:55:39,610 In
2788 00:55:39,610 --> 00:55:40,030 A
2789 00:55:40,030 --> 00:55:43,310 Idealistic
2790 00:55:43,310 --> 00:55:43,770 Scenario
2791 00:55:43,770 --> 00:55:44,170 For
2792 00:55:44,170 --> 00:55:44,650 Some
2793 00:55:44,650 --> 00:55:45,150 Decades
2794 00:55:45,150 --> 00:55:45,290 And
2795 00:55:45,290 --> 00:55:45,590 Believing
2796 00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:45,970 Oh
2797 00:55:45,970 --> 00:55:46,190 We
2798 00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:46,330 Can
2799 00:55:46,330 --> 00:55:46,490 Do
2800 00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:46,690 All
2801 00:55:46,690 --> 00:55:46,870 Good
2802 00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:47,210 Things
2803 00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:47,710 And
2804 00:55:47,710 --> 00:55:47,970 We're
2805 00:55:47,970 --> 00:55:48,310 All
2806 00:55:48,310 --> 00:55:48,570 Coming
2807 00:55:48,570 --> 00:55:48,850 Back
2808 00:55:48,850 --> 00:55:49,030 To
2809 00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:49,410 Reality
2810 00:55:49,410 --> 00:55:49,750 I'm
2811 00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:50,190 Glad
2812 00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:50,410 That
2813 00:55:50,410 --> 00:55:50,650 We're
2814 00:55:50,650 --> 00:55:50,870 All
2815 00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:51,130 Doing
2816 00:55:51,130 --> 00:55:51,410 That
2817 00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:51,810 So
2818 00:55:51,810 --> 00:55:51,970 I
2819 00:55:51,970 --> 00:55:52,130 Think
2820 00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:52,310 It's
2821 00:55:52,310 --> 00:55:52,490 More
2822 00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:52,710 Sort
2823 00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:52,830 Of
2824 00:55:52,830 --> 00:55:53,130 Welcome
2825 00:55:53,130 --> 00:55:53,470 Back
2826 00:55:53,470 --> 00:55:53,630 To
2827 00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:54,030 Reality
2828 00:55:54,030 --> 00:55:54,370 Now
2829 00:55:54,370 --> 00:55:54,690 Let's
2830 00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:54,910 Try
2831 00:55:54,910 --> 00:55:55,050 To
2832 00:55:55,050 --> 00:55:55,250 Think
2833 00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:55,450 About
2834 00:55:55,450 --> 00:55:55,670 This
2835 00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:56,370 Smartly
2836 00:55:56,370 --> 00:55:56,890 Instead
2837 00:55:56,890 --> 00:55:57,110 Of
2838 00:55:57,110 --> 00:55:57,330 Just
2839 00:55:57,330 --> 00:55:58,170 Ideologically
2840 00:55:58,170 --> 00:55:58,870 Let's
2841 00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:59,010 Do
2842 00:55:59,010 --> 00:55:59,310 This
2843 00:55:59,310 --> 00:55:59,810 In
2844 00:55:59,810 --> 00:56:00,130 A
2845 00:56:00,130 --> 00:56:00,710 Cost
2846 00:56:00,710 --> 00:56:01,210 Effective
2847 00:56:01,210 --> 00:56:01,450 Way
2848 00:56:01,450 --> 00:56:02,130 Rather
2849 00:56:02,130 --> 00:56:02,370 Than
2850 00:56:02,370 --> 00:56:02,590 Just
2851 00:56:02,590 --> 00:56:02,950 Wasting
2852 00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:03,270 Lots
2853 00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:03,430 Of
2854 00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:03,870 Resources
2855 00:56:03,870 --> 00:56:04,270 On
2856 00:56:04,270 --> 00:56:04,450 Doing
2857 00:56:04,450 --> 00:56:04,810 Almost
2858 00:56:04,810 --> 00:56:04,990 No
2859 00:56:04,990 --> 00:56:05,230 Good
2860 00:56:05,230 --> 00:56:06,490 Looking
2861 00:56:06,490 --> 00:56:06,910 Back
2862 00:56:06,910 --> 00:56:07,550 At
2863 00:56:07,550 --> 00:56:07,650 The
2864 00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:07,910 History
2865 00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:08,130 Of
2866 00:56:08,130 --> 00:56:08,890 The
2867 00:56:08,890 --> 00:56:09,570 Debate
2868 00:56:09,570 --> 00:56:09,710 Of
2869 00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:10,050 Climate
2870 00:56:10,050 --> 00:56:10,550 Are
2871 00:56:10,550 --> 00:56:10,650 There
2872 00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:10,810 Any
2873 00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:11,150 Topics
2874 00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:11,390 Where
2875 00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:11,810 You
2876 00:56:11,810 --> 00:56:12,270 Personally
2877 00:56:12,270 --> 00:56:12,470 Have
2878 00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:12,730 Changed
2879 00:56:12,730 --> 00:56:12,930 Your
2880 00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:13,430 Position
2881 00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:16,230 Not
2882 00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:16,470 On
2883 00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:17,070 Climate
2884 00:56:17,070 --> 00:56:17,350 No
2885 00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:17,470 I
2886 00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:17,570 Mean
2887 00:56:17,570 --> 00:56:18,090 So
2888 00:56:18,090 --> 00:56:19,270 I've
2889 00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:19,570 Always
2890 00:56:19,570 --> 00:56:19,890 Tried
2891 00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:20,150 To
2892 00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:20,510 Look
2893 00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:20,650 At
2894 00:56:20,650 --> 00:56:20,890 The
2895 00:56:20,890 --> 00:56:21,370 Latest
2896 00:56:23,470 --> 00:56:25,890 No
2897 00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:26,330 I'm
2898 00:56:26,330 --> 00:56:26,470 Going
2899 00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:26,550 To
2900 00:56:26,550 --> 00:56:26,690 Give
2901 00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:26,770 You
2902 00:56:26,770 --> 00:56:26,870 An
2903 00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:27,270 Example
2904 00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:27,490 That
2905 00:56:27,490 --> 00:56:27,790 Just
2906 00:56:27,790 --> 00:56:28,030 Shows
2907 00:56:28,030 --> 00:56:28,170 You
2908 00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:28,290 I
2909 00:56:28,290 --> 00:56:28,410 Was
2910 00:56:28,410 --> 00:56:28,630 More
2911 00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:28,850 Right
2912 00:56:28,850 --> 00:56:28,990 So
2913 00:56:28,990 --> 00:56:29,210 That's
2914 00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:29,350 Not
2915 00:56:29,350 --> 00:56:29,430 A
2916 00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:29,570 Very
2917 00:56:29,570 --> 00:56:29,790 Good
2918 00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:30,450 Answer
2919 00:56:30,450 --> 00:56:32,030 So
2920 00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:32,310 I
2921 00:56:32,310 --> 00:56:32,450 Think
2922 00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:32,690 The
2923 00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:33,090 Fundamental
2924 00:56:33,090 --> 00:56:33,370 Point
2925 00:56:33,370 --> 00:56:33,590 Has
2926 00:56:33,590 --> 00:56:33,850 Always
2927 00:56:33,850 --> 00:56:34,110 Been
2928 00:56:34,110 --> 00:56:34,750 That
2929 00:56:34,750 --> 00:56:35,210 Yes
2930 00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:35,390 There
2931 00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:35,490 Is
2932 00:56:35,490 --> 00:56:35,610 A
2933 00:56:35,610 --> 00:56:35,850 Climate
2934 00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:36,270 Problem
2935 00:56:36,270 --> 00:56:36,850 But
2936 00:56:36,850 --> 00:56:37,250 No
2937 00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:37,470 It's
2938 00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:37,650 Not
2939 00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:37,830 Going
2940 00:56:37,830 --> 00:56:37,870 To
2941 00:56:37,870 --> 00:56:37,970 Be
2942 00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:38,150 The
2943 00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:38,270 End
2944 00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:38,370 Of
2945 00:56:38,370 --> 00:56:38,450 The
2946 00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:38,630 World
2947 00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:38,770 And
2948 00:56:38,770 --> 00:56:38,990 That's
2949 00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:39,130 Been
2950 00:56:39,130 --> 00:56:39,370 My
2951 00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:39,770 Sort
2952 00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:39,870 Of
2953 00:56:39,870 --> 00:56:40,130 Basic
2954 00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:40,570 Argument
2955 00:56:40,570 --> 00:56:41,090 And
2956 00:56:41,090 --> 00:56:41,430 Most
2957 00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:41,550 Of
2958 00:56:41,550 --> 00:56:41,650 The
2959 00:56:41,650 --> 00:56:42,230 Climate
2960 00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:42,730 Policies
2961 00:56:42,730 --> 00:56:42,870 That
2962 00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:43,030 We
2963 00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:43,250 Can
2964 00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:43,610 Act
2965 00:56:43,610 --> 00:56:44,010 Will
2966 00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:44,230 Have
2967 00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:44,690 Fairly
2968 00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:44,950 High
2969 00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:45,310 Cost
2970 00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:45,850 But
2971 00:56:45,850 --> 00:56:46,190 Deliver
2972 00:56:46,190 --> 00:56:46,450 Very
2973 00:56:46,450 --> 00:56:46,690 Little
2974 00:56:46,690 --> 00:56:46,970 Only
2975 00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:47,090 In
2976 00:56:47,090 --> 00:56:47,310 100
2977 00:56:47,310 --> 00:56:47,590 Years
2978 00:56:47,590 --> 00:56:48,150 Those
2979 00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:48,350 Are
2980 00:56:48,350 --> 00:56:48,730 Simple
2981 00:56:48,730 --> 00:56:49,250 Basic
2982 00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:49,750 Outcomes
2983 00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:49,950 Of
2984 00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:50,210 The
2985 00:56:50,210 --> 00:56:50,670 Way
2986 00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:50,850 The
2987 00:56:50,850 --> 00:56:51,110 Climate
2988 00:56:51,110 --> 00:56:51,530 Works
2989 00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:51,990 And
2990 00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:52,110 I
2991 00:56:52,110 --> 00:56:52,230 Think
2992 00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:52,490 That's
2993 00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:52,710 Also
2994 00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:53,050 Why
2995 00:56:53,050 --> 00:56:54,410 This
2996 00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:54,570 Has
2997 00:56:54,570 --> 00:56:54,790 Not
2998 00:56:54,790 --> 00:56:55,050 Been
2999 00:56:55,050 --> 00:56:55,790 Challenged
3000 00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:55,970 In
3001 00:56:55,970 --> 00:56:56,330 20
3002 00:56:56,330 --> 00:56:56,470 Or
3003 00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:56,630 30
3004 00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:56,870 Years
3005 00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:57,330 Because
3006 00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:57,650 This
3007 00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:57,810 Was
3008 00:56:57,810 --> 00:56:58,070 What
3009 00:56:58,070 --> 00:56:58,330 The
3010 00:56:58,330 --> 00:56:58,670 Climate
3011 00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:59,150 Economist
3012 00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:59,270 I
3013 00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:59,410 Mean
3014 00:56:59,410 --> 00:56:59,870 William
3015 00:56:59,870 --> 00:57:00,270 Nordhaus
3016 00:57:00,270 --> 00:57:00,490 Who
3017 00:57:00,490 --> 00:57:02,810 Got
3018 00:57:02,810 --> 00:57:02,970 The
3019 00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:03,170 Nobel
3020 00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:03,510 Prize
3021 00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:03,670 In
3022 00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:03,870 Climate
3023 00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:04,290 Economics
3024 00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:04,810 He
3025 00:57:04,810 --> 00:57:05,010 Built
3026 00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:05,170 The
3027 00:57:05,170 --> 00:57:05,390 First
3028 00:57:05,390 --> 00:57:06,050 Models
3029 00:57:06,050 --> 00:57:06,350 Back
3030 00:57:06,350 --> 00:57:06,570 In
3031 00:57:06,570 --> 00:57:06,890 The
3032 00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:07,870 Early
3033 00:57:07,870 --> 00:57:08,470 80s
3034 00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:09,390 1980s
3035 00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:09,870 And
3036 00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:10,070 This
3037 00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:10,230 Was
3038 00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:10,430 What
3039 00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:10,550 The
3040 00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:10,810 Model
3041 00:57:10,810 --> 00:57:11,170 Showed
3042 00:57:11,170 --> 00:57:11,370 Back
3043 00:57:11,370 --> 00:57:11,550 Then
3044 00:57:11,550 --> 00:57:11,690 And
3045 00:57:11,690 --> 00:57:11,850 We
3046 00:57:11,850 --> 00:57:12,090 Knew
3047 00:57:12,090 --> 00:57:12,350 This
3048 00:57:12,350 --> 00:57:12,970 So
3049 00:57:12,970 --> 00:57:13,110 I
3050 00:57:13,110 --> 00:57:13,270 Think
3051 00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:13,590 Much
3052 00:57:13,590 --> 00:57:13,750 More
3053 00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:13,970 Know
3054 00:57:13,970 --> 00:57:14,130 We
3055 00:57:14,130 --> 00:57:14,250 Were
3056 00:57:14,250 --> 00:57:14,430 Just
3057 00:57:14,430 --> 00:57:14,710 In
3058 00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:15,430 Slightly
3059 00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:15,810 La
3060 00:57:15,810 --> 00:57:15,970 La
3061 00:57:15,970 --> 00:57:16,290 Land
3062 00:57:16,290 --> 00:57:16,550 For
3063 00:57:16,550 --> 00:57:17,110 30
3064 00:57:17,110 --> 00:57:17,370 Years
3065 00:57:17,370 --> 00:57:17,510 And
3066 00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:17,650 Now
3067 00:57:17,650 --> 00:57:17,810 We
3068 00:57:17,810 --> 00:57:17,990 Come
3069 00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:18,190 Back
3070 00:57:18,190 --> 00:57:18,330 To
3071 00:57:18,330 --> 00:57:18,730 Reality
3072 00:57:18,730 --> 00:57:19,970 Welcome
3073 00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:20,270 Back
3074 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:20,450 From
3075 00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:20,650 La
3076 00:57:20,650 --> 00:57:20,770 La
3077 00:57:20,770 --> 00:57:21,110 Land
3078 00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:22,050 We
3079 00:57:22,050 --> 00:57:22,430 Covered
3080 00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:23,110 Quite
3081 00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:23,230 A
3082 00:57:23,230 --> 00:57:23,310 Few
3083 00:57:23,310 --> 00:57:23,670 Topics
3084 00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:24,130 Obviously
3085 00:57:24,130 --> 00:57:24,610 Not
3086 00:57:24,610 --> 00:57:24,950 All
3087 00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:25,050 Of
3088 00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:25,250 Them
3089 00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:25,670 Are
3090 00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:25,850 There
3091 00:57:25,850 --> 00:57:26,090 Anything
3092 00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:26,570 Specific
3093 00:57:26,570 --> 00:57:26,690 You
3094 00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:26,810 Would
3095 00:57:26,810 --> 00:57:27,010 Like
3096 00:57:27,010 --> 00:57:27,150 To
3097 00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:27,430 Add
3098 00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:28,030 So
3099 00:57:28,030 --> 00:57:28,970 To
3100 00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:30,670 Summarize
3101 00:57:30,670 --> 00:57:30,870 Or
3102 00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:31,290 Anything
3103 00:57:31,290 --> 00:57:31,910 Extra
3104 00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:32,590 So
3105 00:57:32,590 --> 00:57:32,730 I
3106 00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:32,890 Think
3107 00:57:32,890 --> 00:57:34,030 We
3108 00:57:34,030 --> 00:57:34,350 End
3109 00:57:34,350 --> 00:57:34,550 Up
3110 00:57:34,550 --> 00:57:34,750 And
3111 00:57:34,750 --> 00:57:35,570 I
3112 00:57:35,570 --> 00:57:36,030 Love
3113 00:57:36,030 --> 00:57:36,170 The
3114 00:57:36,170 --> 00:57:36,330 Fact
3115 00:57:36,330 --> 00:57:36,470 That
3116 00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:36,570 We
3117 00:57:36,570 --> 00:57:36,790 Talk
3118 00:57:36,790 --> 00:57:36,950 So
3119 00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:37,170 Much
3120 00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:37,430 About
3121 00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:38,030 The
3122 00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:38,270 Poor
3123 00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:38,570 Part
3124 00:57:38,570 --> 00:57:38,670 Of
3125 00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:38,790 The
3126 00:57:38,790 --> 00:57:39,010 World
3127 00:57:39,010 --> 00:57:39,910 In
3128 00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:40,290 This
3129 00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:40,630 Podcast
3130 00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:40,970 But
3131 00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:41,150 We
3132 00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:41,450 Always
3133 00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:41,790 End
3134 00:57:41,790 --> 00:57:41,950 Up
3135 00:57:41,950 --> 00:57:42,190 Because
3136 00:57:42,190 --> 00:57:42,410 We
3137 00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:42,630 Live
3138 00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:42,730 In
3139 00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:42,850 The
3140 00:57:42,850 --> 00:57:43,070 Rich
3141 00:57:43,070 --> 00:57:43,310 World
3142 00:57:43,310 --> 00:57:43,510 We
3143 00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:43,670 End
3144 00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:43,850 Up
3145 00:57:43,850 --> 00:57:44,150 Talking
3146 00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:44,390 About
3147 00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:44,730 Climate
3148 00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:45,070 Change
3149 00:57:45,070 --> 00:57:45,310 Because
3150 00:57:45,310 --> 00:57:45,570 That's
3151 00:57:45,570 --> 00:57:45,750 What
3152 00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:47,210 Takes
3153 00:57:47,210 --> 00:57:47,350 Up
3154 00:57:47,350 --> 00:57:47,450 A
3155 00:57:47,450 --> 00:57:47,550 Lot
3156 00:57:47,550 --> 00:57:47,730 More
3157 00:57:47,730 --> 00:57:48,090 Space
3158 00:57:48,090 --> 00:57:48,690 In
3159 00:57:48,690 --> 00:57:49,970 A
3160 00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:50,210 Rich
3161 00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:50,450 World
3162 00:57:50,450 --> 00:57:50,790 Setting
3163 00:57:50,790 --> 00:57:51,310 But
3164 00:57:51,310 --> 00:57:51,470 I
3165 00:57:51,470 --> 00:57:51,650 Think
3166 00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:51,770 It
3167 00:57:51,770 --> 00:57:51,930 Is
3168 00:57:51,930 --> 00:57:52,270 Important
3169 00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:52,510 To
3170 00:57:52,510 --> 00:57:53,090 Recognize
3171 00:57:53,090 --> 00:57:53,790 That
3172 00:57:53,790 --> 00:57:54,290 About
3173 00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:54,850 Half
3174 00:57:54,850 --> 00:57:55,050 This
3175 00:57:55,050 --> 00:57:55,390 World's
3176 00:57:55,390 --> 00:57:55,890 Population
3177 00:57:55,890 --> 00:57:56,210 So
3178 00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:56,530 About
3179 00:57:56,530 --> 00:57:56,850 Four
3180 00:57:56,850 --> 00:57:57,410 Billion
3181 00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:57,750 People
3182 00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:58,350 Live
3183 00:57:58,350 --> 00:57:58,470 In
3184 00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:58,690 Low
3185 00:57:58,690 --> 00:57:58,830 And
3186 00:57:58,830 --> 00:57:59,010 Lower
3187 00:57:59,010 --> 00:57:59,250 Middle
3188 00:57:59,250 --> 00:57:59,510 Income
3189 00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:59,970 Countries
3190 00:57:59,970 --> 00:58:00,850 Where
3191 00:58:00,850 --> 00:58:01,390 The
3192 00:58:01,390 --> 00:58:01,610 World
3193 00:58:01,610 --> 00:58:01,850 Is
3194 00:58:01,850 --> 00:58:02,030 Just
3195 00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:03,350 Unrecognizable
3196 00:58:03,350 --> 00:58:03,990 To
3197 00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:04,290 The
3198 00:58:04,290 --> 00:58:04,730 Immense
3199 00:58:04,730 --> 00:58:05,310 Luxury
3200 00:58:05,310 --> 00:58:05,590 We
3201 00:58:05,590 --> 00:58:05,910 Live
3202 00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:06,130 In
3203 00:58:06,130 --> 00:58:06,970 And
3204 00:58:06,970 --> 00:58:07,450 So
3205 00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:08,090 It
3206 00:58:08,090 --> 00:58:08,350 Is
3207 00:58:08,350 --> 00:58:08,710 Worth
3208 00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:09,330 Sometimes
3209 00:58:09,330 --> 00:58:09,810 Taking
3210 00:58:09,810 --> 00:58:10,110 A
3211 00:58:10,110 --> 00:58:10,410 Step
3212 00:58:10,410 --> 00:58:10,770 Back
3213 00:58:10,770 --> 00:58:11,110 And
3214 00:58:11,110 --> 00:58:11,550 Realizing
3215 00:58:11,550 --> 00:58:12,090 Oh
3216 00:58:12,090 --> 00:58:12,230 My
3217 00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:12,510 God
3218 00:58:12,510 --> 00:58:12,810 We
3219 00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:13,010 Have
3220 00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:13,170 It
3221 00:58:13,170 --> 00:58:13,450 Well
3222 00:58:13,450 --> 00:58:14,670 Our
3223 00:58:14,670 --> 00:58:15,030 Lives
3224 00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:15,210 Are
3225 00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:15,510 Good
3226 00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:16,090 And
3227 00:58:16,090 --> 00:58:16,370 While
3228 00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:16,690 It's
3229 00:58:16,690 --> 00:58:17,070 Great
3230 00:58:17,070 --> 00:58:17,330 That
3231 00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:17,490 We
3232 00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:17,610 Are
3233 00:58:17,610 --> 00:58:17,950 Also
3234 00:58:17,950 --> 00:58:18,270 Worried
3235 00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:18,430 About
3236 00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:18,750 Climate
3237 00:58:18,750 --> 00:58:19,090 Change
3238 00:58:19,090 --> 00:58:19,210 And
3239 00:58:19,210 --> 00:58:19,350 All
3240 00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:19,490 These
3241 00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:19,670 Other
3242 00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:19,930 Things
3243 00:58:19,930 --> 00:58:20,550 Let's
3244 00:58:20,550 --> 00:58:20,730 Just
3245 00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:21,130 Remember
3246 00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:21,670 That
3247 00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:21,830 There
3248 00:58:21,830 --> 00:58:21,970 Are
3249 00:58:26,530 --> 00:58:28,210 Problem
3250 00:58:28,210 --> 00:58:28,510 That
3251 00:58:28,510 --> 00:58:28,670 We
3252 00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:28,850 Can
3253 00:58:28,850 --> 00:58:29,110 Solve
3254 00:58:29,110 --> 00:58:29,250 At
3255 00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:29,610 Very
3256 00:58:29,610 --> 00:58:29,830 Very
3257 00:58:29,830 --> 00:58:30,090 Low
3258 00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:30,390 Cost
3259 00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:30,830 So
3260 00:58:30,830 --> 00:58:31,050 I
3261 00:58:31,050 --> 00:58:31,810 Encourage
3262 00:58:31,810 --> 00:58:32,010 You
3263 00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:32,210 To
3264 00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:32,750 Go
3265 00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:32,950 To
3266 00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:33,250 Our
3267 00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:33,630 Website
3268 00:58:33,630 --> 00:58:34,070 Copenhagen
3269 00:58:34,070 --> 00:58:34,590 Consensus
3270 00:58:34,590 --> 00:58:34,830 Dot
3271 00:58:34,830 --> 00:58:35,050 Com
3272 00:58:35,050 --> 00:58:35,170 You
3273 00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:35,350 Can
3274 00:58:35,350 --> 00:58:35,730 Actually
3275 00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:36,090 Download
3276 00:58:36,090 --> 00:58:36,330 That
3277 00:58:36,330 --> 00:58:36,550 One
3278 00:58:36,550 --> 00:58:36,910 Pager
3279 00:58:36,910 --> 00:58:37,830 So
3280 00:58:37,830 --> 00:58:38,350 You
3281 00:58:38,350 --> 00:58:38,490 Can
3282 00:58:38,490 --> 00:58:38,730 See
3283 00:58:38,730 --> 00:58:38,910 What
3284 00:58:38,910 --> 00:58:39,070 The
3285 00:58:39,070 --> 00:58:39,350 Twelve
3286 00:58:39,350 --> 00:58:39,850 Solutions
3287 00:58:39,850 --> 00:58:40,110 Are
3288 00:58:40,110 --> 00:58:40,710 And
3289 00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:40,990 It's
3290 00:58:40,990 --> 00:58:42,030 Incredibly
3291 00:58:42,030 --> 00:58:42,370 Cheap
3292 00:58:42,370 --> 00:58:42,530 And
3293 00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:42,710 What
3294 00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:42,890 I
3295 00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:43,070 Would
3296 00:58:43,070 --> 00:58:43,470 Hope
3297 00:58:43,470 --> 00:58:43,990 Is
3298 00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:44,150 That
3299 00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:44,330 We
3300 00:58:44,330 --> 00:58:44,510 Can
3301 00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:44,770 Push
3302 00:58:44,770 --> 00:58:44,930 Our
3303 00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:45,550 Politicians
3304 00:58:45,550 --> 00:58:46,430 To
3305 00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:46,590 Do
3306 00:58:46,590 --> 00:58:46,870 A
3307 00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:47,150 Little
3308 00:58:47,150 --> 00:58:47,610 More
3309 00:58:47,610 --> 00:58:48,210 To
3310 00:58:48,210 --> 00:58:48,430 Make
3311 00:58:48,430 --> 00:58:48,930 This
3312 00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:49,170 World
3313 00:58:49,170 --> 00:58:49,470 A
3314 00:58:49,470 --> 00:58:49,890 Much
3315 00:58:49,890 --> 00:58:50,130 Much
3316 00:58:50,130 --> 00:58:50,310 Better
3317 00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:50,590 Place
3318 00:58:50,590 --> 00:58:51,170 Especially
3319 00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:51,430 For
3320 00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:51,550 The
3321 00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:51,750 People
3322 00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:51,950 Who
3323 00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:52,130 Are
3324 00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:52,790 Not
3325 00:58:52,790 --> 00:58:53,050 At
3326 00:58:53,050 --> 00:58:53,410 All
3327 00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:53,670 Where
3328 00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:53,870 We
3329 00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:54,090 Are
3330 00:58:54,090 --> 00:58:55,030 Thank
3331 00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:55,210 You
3332 00:58:55,210 --> 00:58:55,370 For
3333 00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:55,570 That
3334 00:58:55,570 --> 00:58:56,050 Summary
3335 00:58:56,050 --> 00:58:56,350 And
3336 00:58:56,350 --> 00:58:56,770 Thank
3337 00:58:56,770 --> 00:58:56,890 You
3338 00:58:56,890 --> 00:58:57,050 So
3339 00:58:57,050 --> 00:58:57,250 Much
3340 00:58:57,250 --> 00:58:57,370 For
3341 00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:57,590 Joining
3342 00:58:57,590 --> 00:58:57,730 Me
3343 00:58:57,730 --> 00:58:57,930 Today
3344 00:58:57,930 --> 00:58:58,150 Björn
3345 00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:58,470 Lomborg
3346 00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:59,870 Stort
3347 00:58:59,870 --> 00:59:00,110 Tack
3348 00:59:00,110 --> 00:59:00,470 Till
3349 00:59:00,470 --> 00:59:01,410 Er
3350 00:59:01,410 --> 00:59:01,590 Som
3351 00:59:01,590 --> 00:59:01,810 Har
3352 00:59:01,810 --> 00:59:02,530 Lyssnat
3353 00:59:02,530 --> 00:59:03,090 Stort
3354 00:59:03,090 --> 00:59:03,330 Tack
3355 00:59:03,330 --> 00:59:03,550 För
3356 00:59:03,550 --> 00:59:03,630 Att
3357 00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:03,710 Ni
3358 00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:03,890 Stod
3359 00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:04,030 Ut
3360 00:59:04,030 --> 00:59:04,130 Med
3361 00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:04,350 Min
3362 00:59:04,350 --> 00:59:04,970 Engelska
3363 00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:05,230 Också
3364 00:59:05,230 --> 00:59:06,230 Det
3365 00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:06,350 Ni
3366 00:59:06,350 --> 00:59:06,410 Har
3367 00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:06,610 Lyssnat
3368 00:59:06,610 --> 00:59:06,810 På
3369 00:59:06,810 --> 00:59:07,150 Det
3370 00:59:07,150 --> 00:59:07,290 Är
3371 00:59:07,290 --> 00:59:08,090 Ledaredaktionen
3372 00:59:08,090 --> 00:59:08,510 En
3373 00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:08,750 Pod
3374 00:59:08,750 --> 00:59:09,090 Från
3375 00:59:09,090 --> 00:59:09,450 Svenska
3376 00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:09,950 Dagbladet
3377 00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:10,590 Som
3378 00:59:10,590 --> 00:59:10,790 Vanligt
3379 00:59:10,790 --> 00:59:10,910 Är
3380 00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:10,970 Ni
3381 00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:11,170 Varmt
3382 00:59:11,170 --> 00:59:11,630 Välkomna
3383 00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:11,710 Att
3384 00:59:11,710 --> 00:59:11,810 Hör
3385 00:59:11,810 --> 00:59:11,970 Av
3386 00:59:11,970 --> 00:59:12,050 Er
3387 00:59:12,050 --> 00:59:12,170 Till
3388 00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:12,290 Oss
3389 00:59:12,290 --> 00:59:12,410 På
3390 00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:12,830 Redaktionen
3391 00:59:12,830 --> 00:59:13,290 Med
3392 00:59:13,290 --> 00:59:13,750 Tankar
3393 00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:13,850 Och
3394 00:59:13,850 --> 00:59:14,350 Synpunkter
3395 00:59:14,350 --> 00:59:14,490 På
3396 00:59:14,490 --> 00:59:14,570 Det
3397 00:59:14,570 --> 00:59:14,670 Vi
3398 00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:14,750 Har
3399 00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:15,010 Precis
3400 00:59:15,010 --> 00:59:15,670 Diskuterat
3401 00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:16,630 Antalet
3402 00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:16,830 Finns
3403 00:59:16,830 --> 00:59:16,950 En
3404 00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:17,070 Hel
3405 00:59:17,070 --> 00:59:17,250 Del
3406 00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:18,470 Tankar
3407 00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:18,870 Efter
3408 00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:19,310 Björns
3409 00:59:19,310 --> 00:59:19,790 Utläggningar
3410 00:59:19,790 --> 00:59:20,570 Men
3411 00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:20,730 Också
3412 00:59:20,730 --> 00:59:20,870 Om
3413 00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:20,930 Ni
3414 00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:21,010 Har
3415 00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:21,350 Idéer
3416 00:59:21,350 --> 00:59:21,410 Och
3417 00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:21,670 Förslag
3418 00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:21,810 På
3419 00:59:21,810 --> 00:59:22,230 Ämnen
3420 00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:22,370 Vi
3421 00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:22,470 Ska
3422 00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:22,550 Ta
3423 00:59:22,550 --> 00:59:22,710 Upp
3424 00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:22,790 I
3425 00:59:22,790 --> 00:59:23,310 Framtiden
3426 00:59:23,310 --> 00:59:24,030 Maila
3427 00:59:24,030 --> 00:59:24,350 Till
3428 00:59:24,350 --> 00:59:25,270 Ledarsidan
3429 00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:26,050 Snabla
3430 00:59:26,050 --> 00:59:27,310 SVD.se
3431 00:59:27,310 --> 00:59:27,870 Dagens
3432 00:59:27,870 --> 00:59:28,350 Producent
3433 00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:28,710 Han
3434 00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:28,930 Heter
3435 00:59:28,930 --> 00:59:29,170 Jesper
3436 00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:29,730 Sandström
3437 00:59:29,730 --> 00:59:30,330 Ansvarig
3438 00:59:30,330 --> 00:59:30,890 Utgivare
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